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Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:01 pm

    

Givenchy started a very docile and a very harmless topic about Hidilyn Diaz winning the first Olympic gold,
but look where it is now ... it is now heading on its seventh page. It is a very tame topic, but very intriguing
because it has all the recipes and ingredients for a bloodbath discussion which touches the nerves of the sup-
porters of the government who feel slighted because of insinuations that Hidilyn asked for government assistance
and those cries for help went to deaf ears.

And when Hidilyn arrived from Tokyo, after she gets the warmest congratulations from the President, she did
not even blinked when she verbally made everyone aware of her stand on West Philippine Sea.

Then the He said ... She said battle started from all sides, The DDS came in strong force and the Dilawans
also made their presence felt. Everybody had their say and the mood of the day is more of an eye for an eye:
which means everybody is up to get even, they want reprisal and retribution and its payback time.

The discussion had an awesome start, but it crumbled and decomposed into a free-for-all tongue lashing,
ranting and berating. There were intellegent points being raised, but because everybody wants GORE, they
get BLOOD indeed.

There's just a lot of people that are hard to persuade. And unfortunately they came from all sides of the spectrum.
People that were hard to persuade are:

-Narcissist- they believe they have the best arguments. And the ideas of others pale in comparison.
-Rude People - they are difficult and they are annoying. If they continue being rude, the risk of becoming
unpopular is a probability.
-The Manipulatives - they abuse the discussion in a way costing other people's time and energy.
-Obstructionist- they keep claiming that the matter under discussion is not ready for resolution, and offers more
and more possible solutions.
-People With Closed Mind sets-
-People with Superiority complex
-Ignorants who believe they know everything.
-Stubborn and critical people
-People who defy logic, common sense and reason
-Self opinionated bigots.

Persuasion is hard, especially when people have different perspectives, worldview, mindsets and values in life.
Our brains are faster at processing opinions we agree with than those we disagree with. ... People rarely change
their minds, which makes persuasion even harder but not impossible.


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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:10 pm

Reviewing the seven-page thread, I want to acknowledge the names of contributors who made the
discussion alive and intelligent. From TS - Givenchy to ManoyPoe and Stoichio.

Actually, everybody did their part well - it was an entertaining read.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby esperasave » Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:29 pm

Persuasion is hard because Trust is Earned but when it's broken, it's hard to get it back.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:46 pm

esperasave wrote:Persuasion is hard because Trust is Earned but when it's broken, it's hard to get it back.


That is so true.

In persuasion the speaker has a goal of convincing the audience or readers to accept his or her point of view. The speech
is arranged in such a way as to hopefully cause the audience to accept all or part of the expressed view. Though the overarching
goal of a persuasive speech is to convince the audience to accept a perspective, not all audiences or readers can be convinced by
a single speech or argument and not all perspectives can persuade the audience.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:10 pm

Persuasive speeches may utilize the three modes of persuasion: ethos, pathos, and logos.

Persuasion: the process aimed at changing a person’s (or a group’s) attitude or behavior
Example: Hidilyn asked for government assistance. Did the government answer the call?

Logos: logical appeal to the audience; does the speaker’s argument from each side make sense? Is it
with the same wavelength as the audience?
Pathos: emotional appeal to the audience. did the speaker from each side resort to play on
emotions to convince readers and audiences?
Ethos: the credibility of the speaker, was the speaker from each side more credible, believable, and
relatable to the audience?

So when Givenchy started saying: at mga ka-DDS, bago kayo mag claim ng credit...tandaan nyo huh
nung humingi ng tulong si Hidilyn sa gobyerno, walang nahita ni isang kusing sa halip ay sinabihan nyo
na mukhang pera at napasama pa sa #OustDuterte matrix.

In thee modes of persuading,
Logos: Givenchy's argument makes sense
Pathos: She did resort to playing on the audience's emotion, and it looked like she succeeded.
Ethos: I thought the audience find her believable, relatable and authentic.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:49 pm

On the other hand, when Harry Roque stated: "We have to thank China and President Duterte for the Olympic
gold. Kung baga kung wala ang China at si Tatay Digong wala ding gold na makuha si Hidilyn. Kaya thankful tayo
dapat sa China at kay Pres. Duterte."

Logos: Is Roque making sense?
Pathos: Yes he did play on our emotions, but the emotions boomeranged to him bigtime.
Ethos: Was Roque credible? Let his records speak for himself.

If he is running for senator next year, these arguments will come back and haunt him.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:57 pm

Givenchy wrote:
Sorry but i don't engage with DDShits [-X

wala lang i just wanna post and post relevant issues

NAKAKATUYO ng utak ang makipag-usap sa mga DDShits

minsan mas maganda pa kausap yung mga paslit, kahit papapaano

me naiintindihan

Givenchy doesn't have to twitch my arm to persuade me. I have similar raw experiences with them and when
he said: Mas maganda pa kausap ang paslit, kahit papapaano me naiintiendhihan. It is believable and I can
relate to that.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby mybadname » Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:25 am

Roque is a CLOWN. Panelo is an ASS-LICKER. Both wont win in the senatorial election. Those two are Jesters in politics.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Givenchy » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:09 am

Prozac wrote:On the other hand, when Harry Roque stated: "We have to thank China and President Duterte for the Olympic
gold. Kung baga kung wala ang China at si Tatay Digong wala ding gold na makuha si Hidilyn. Kaya thankful tayo
dapat sa China at kay Pres. Duterte."

Logos: Is Roque making sense?
Pathos: Yes he did play on our emotions, but the emotions boomeranged to him bigtime.
Ethos: Was Roque credible? Let his records speak for himself.

If he is running for senator next year, these arguments will come back and haunt him.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1421322852196786177

this video is a true testament to Roque's mutation or duality #:-S
among others, this is his most striking statement during the 2016 presidential race.

Roque: please tell your friends, your relatives not to vote for this murderer(Duterte), this self-confessed murderer.............."
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Luneta » Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:43 am

I'm ready to read more posts like this even if this is a peageant forum. Remember that we hone our queens that are widely knowledgeable in the Philippine political landscape. We need queens that are ready to listen and to communicate across, the struggles of the voiceless.

Beauty queen aspirants or queens who refuse to take a stand in social issues like this are hypocrites.

So I'm excited what "forumers" will say in the upcoming election.
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:37 am

Luneta wrote:I'm ready to read more posts like this even if this is a peageant forum. Remember that we hone our queens that are widely knowledgeable in the Philippine political landscape. We need queens that are ready to listen and to communicate across, the struggles of the voiceless.

Beauty queen aspirants or queens who refuse to take a stand in social issues like this are hypocrites.

So I'm excited what "forumers" will say in the upcoming election.


We are encouraging everybody to get involved. Having said that I remember the famous words of Maya Angelou
and she said: "When you do nothing you feel overwhelmed and powerless.

But when you get involved, you feel the sense of hope and accomplishment that comes from knowing you are
working to make things better."
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:53 am

Givenchy wrote:
Prozac wrote:On the other hand, when Harry Roque stated: "We have to thank China and President Duterte for the Olympic
gold. Kung baga kung wala ang China at si Tatay Digong wala ding gold na makuha si Hidilyn. Kaya thankful tayo
dapat sa China at kay Pres. Duterte."

Logos: Is Roque making sense?
Pathos: Yes he did play on our emotions, but the emotions boomeranged to him bigtime.
Ethos: Was Roque credible? Let his records speak for himself.

If he is running for senator next year, these arguments will come back and haunt him.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1421322852196786177

this video is a true testament to Roque's mutation or duality #:-S
among others, this is his most striking statement during the 2016 presidential race.
Roque: please tell your friends, your relatives not to vote for this murderer(Duterte), this self-confessed murderer.............."


I used to be a fan of Harry Roque. But when he assumed the post as Malacanang's spoxy, he has mutated, nay he
has evolved into a monster beyond recognition. He has given his all for this administration, it looked like he has
sold himself for a price and come 2022 we will know what that is.

Regarding the video, I will not be surprise if he will deny that he was the one being interviewed, reminiscent
of the Garci scandal in Arroyo's timewatch. Another deja vu looming in the horizon?
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:53 am

mybadname wrote:Roque is a CLOWN. Panelo is an ASS-LICKER. Both wont win in the senatorial election. Those two are Jesters in politics.


We already have a clown. Now an ass-licker? What more grotesque characters do we need in senate? Haven't
Filipinos learned enough, and haven't Filipinos learned about Filipinos lining up in precipice of death every four years
because they always have a penchant in choosing losers in exchange of a little P500 pesos bribe that always tip the
balance of normalcy in our government.

If Roque and Panelo win, you are assured a daily dose of lies and falsehood served in a golden platter to brighten
your day. How's that for a start?
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Givenchy » Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:33 pm

eto pa nakakaloka :%))

Digong to PDP-Laban politicians: Magdadala ako ng sako-sakong pera para ikampanya kayo! #:-S

then comes ECQ and people are asking if the gov't is ready to give assistance...

Roque: Sigurado pong may ibibigay na ayuda, hindi pa lang alam kung saan kukunin. :-O

klaro ito para sa mga DDS, pag sa ayuda walang pera pero there's plenty for buying votes come election time =O/
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Re: Persuasion is Hard

Postby Prozac » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:48 am

Givenchy wrote:eto pa nakakaloka :%))

Digong to PDP-Laban politicians: Magdadala ako ng sako-sakong pera para ikampanya kayo! #:-S

then comes ECQ and people are asking if the gov't is ready to give assistance...

Roque: Sigurado pong may ibibigay na ayuda, hindi pa lang alam kung saan kukunin. :-O

klaro ito para sa mga DDS, pag sa ayuda walang pera pero there's plenty for buying votes come election time =O/


It is ironic to say na meron palang perang pang-ayuda. pero hindi pa alam kung saan ang pera.

It is also ironic when politicians say: "I am going to be here for you when you need me. Because
they are the very same people, who walk away first ... or turn their backs away.
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