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Sophia7 wrote:Guys, let's detour a bit with our discussion to our Faith. It looks like this pandemic is a sign that the Lord Jesus' second coming is pretty soon.
Question: "What have you been doing lately to strengthen, build, and grow spiritually"?
esperasave wrote:Sophia7 wrote:Guys, let's detour a bit with our discussion to our Faith. It looks like this pandemic is a sign that the Lord Jesus' second coming is pretty soon.
Question: "What have you been doing lately to strengthen, build, and grow spiritually"?
Michelle G. can answers it. Install the Bible App to feel self centered and grounded. Her response to that final question is the answer to your query. You'll find the best answer to it in her. She's confident enough to stand with it.
Sophia7 wrote:Via zoom, I join my family who is in Ozamiz City in their Bible Reading and Lord's day gathering.
Sophia7 wrote:Guys, let's detour a bit with our discussion to our Faith. It looks like this pandemic is a sign that the Lord Jesus' second coming is pretty soon.
Question: "What have you been doing lately to strengthen, build, and grow spiritually"?
jhunz23 wrote:I've always wondered why God created Satan in the first place knowing that Satan was going to rebel and be tossed down to Earth and be responsible for all the sin which results in millions of souls being tortured for freakin' forever. Forever! God knew this because he knows the future due to his prescience.
Yet He did it anyway. He created Satan and before you knew it there was a WAR in Heaven. A war in Paradise! How could there be a war in Heaven!? Aren't wars dangerous to the local residents? Wouldn't that make the place a little less, er, paradisical. Who's to say that it couldn't happen again ruinin' it for your grandma and the millions and millions of aborted fetuses? Couldn't God, at the very least, have thrown the Devil on an uninhabited asteroid somewhere where he couldn't have caused all these problems? I'm tellin' you God didn't do us right!
I wonder if wars are allowed in Hell. You might be safer there. Looks like you can't win. Why be born and run all that eternal risk after a brief interlude of misery here on this mortal coil? I don't recall even bein' asked to be born in the first place.
Bottom line? The Christians need to work on their story. It's got more holes than that cheese they invented over in Switzerland.
jhunz23 wrote:Deep inside the heart of every evangelical Christians, esp, they are excited and giddy about any news of war and calamities happening and basically the collapse of the world we are in, as they believe this will usher in their much anticipated, long overdue of 2000+ years, second coming of their Christ. They are eagerly awaiting anyone who will wage a war against Israel and her allies and thus start a world war.
These Christians look forward to the world's destruction. While on the other hand, many people with an opposite mindset from these Christians, are actually looking for ways and means to make this world a better place - be it medicine, economy, environment, education, arts, averting war, etc. A sane person does not secretly look forward to the world's end. Christians, unfortunately, will want the world to end as this is the only way their supposed Christ will come again.
Sophia7 wrote:jhunz23 wrote:I've always wondered why God created Satan in the first place knowing that Satan was going to rebel and be tossed down to Earth and be responsible for all the sin which results in millions of souls being tortured for freakin' forever. Forever! God knew this because he knows the future due to his prescience.
Yet He did it anyway. He created Satan and before you knew it there was a WAR in Heaven. A war in Paradise! How could there be a war in Heaven!? Aren't wars dangerous to the local residents? Wouldn't that make the place a little less, er, paradisical. Who's to say that it couldn't happen again ruinin' it for your grandma and the millions and millions of aborted fetuses? Couldn't God, at the very least, have thrown the Devil on an uninhabited asteroid somewhere where he couldn't have caused all these problems? I'm tellin' you God didn't do us right!
I wonder if wars are allowed in Hell. You might be safer there. Looks like you can't win. Why be born and run all that eternal risk after a brief interlude of misery here on this mortal coil? I don't recall even bein' asked to be born in the first place.
Bottom line? The Christians need to work on their story. It's got more holes than that cheese they invented over in Switzerland.
Very good narrative. God created Lucifer as the Light Bearer but he rebelled against God.
God created man (us) to defeat Satan! God needs us to defeat the evil one.
peterdp wrote:Sophia7 wrote:jhunz23 wrote:I've always wondered why God created Satan in the first place knowing that Satan was going to rebel and be tossed down to Earth and be responsible for all the sin which results in millions of souls being tortured for freakin' forever. Forever! God knew this because he knows the future due to his prescience.
Yet He did it anyway. He created Satan and before you knew it there was a WAR in Heaven. A war in Paradise! How could there be a war in Heaven!? Aren't wars dangerous to the local residents? Wouldn't that make the place a little less, er, paradisical. Who's to say that it couldn't happen again ruinin' it for your grandma and the millions and millions of aborted fetuses? Couldn't God, at the very least, have thrown the Devil on an uninhabited asteroid somewhere where he couldn't have caused all these problems? I'm tellin' you God didn't do us right!
I wonder if wars are allowed in Hell. You might be safer there. Looks like you can't win. Why be born and run all that eternal risk after a brief interlude of misery here on this mortal coil? I don't recall even bein' asked to be born in the first place.
Bottom line? The Christians need to work on their story. It's got more holes than that cheese they invented over in Switzerland.
Very good narrative. God created Lucifer as the Light Bearer but he rebelled against God.
God created man (us) to defeat Satan! God needs us to defeat the evil one.
Why put the burden on humans to defeat Lucifer? Wouldn't God be the best bet on defeating Lucifer? All power and everything?
jhunz23 wrote:I've always wondered why God created Satan in the first place knowing that Satan was going to rebel and be tossed down to Earth and be responsible for all the sin which results in millions of souls being tortured for freakin' forever. Forever! God knew this because he knows the future due to his prescience.
Yet He did it anyway. He created Satan and before you knew it there was a WAR in Heaven. A war in Paradise! How could there be a war in Heaven!? Aren't wars dangerous to the local residents? Wouldn't that make the place a little less, er, paradisical. Who's to say that it couldn't happen again ruinin' it for your grandma and the millions and millions of aborted fetuses? Couldn't God, at the very least, have thrown the Devil on an uninhabited asteroid somewhere where he couldn't have caused all these problems? I'm tellin' you God didn't do us right!
I wonder if wars are allowed in Hell. You might be safer there. Looks like you can't win. Why be born and run all that eternal risk after a brief interlude of misery here on this mortal coil? I don't recall even bein' asked to be born in the first place.
Bottom line? The Christians need to work on their story. It's got more holes than that cheese they invented over in Switzerland.
Peace to everyone wrote:jhunz23 wrote:I've always wondered why God created Satan in the first place knowing that Satan was going to rebel and be tossed down to Earth and be responsible for all the sin which results in millions of souls being tortured for freakin' forever. Forever! God knew this because he knows the future due to his prescience.
Yet He did it anyway. He created Satan and before you knew it there was a WAR in Heaven. A war in Paradise! How could there be a war in Heaven!? Aren't wars dangerous to the local residents? Wouldn't that make the place a little less, er, paradisical. Who's to say that it couldn't happen again ruinin' it for your grandma and the millions and millions of aborted fetuses? Couldn't God, at the very least, have thrown the Devil on an uninhabited asteroid somewhere where he couldn't have caused all these problems? I'm tellin' you God didn't do us right!
I wonder if wars are allowed in Hell. You might be safer there. Looks like you can't win. Why be born and run all that eternal risk after a brief interlude of misery here on this mortal coil? I don't recall even bein' asked to be born in the first place.
Bottom line? The Christians need to work on their story. It's got more holes than that cheese they invented over in Switzerland.
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Based on what I understood about The Bible. God created the angelic world so those angelic beings become God's servants. Then God created the physical universe particularly Earth then God created Adam and Eve as God's children. Then God gave commandments to His children: Do not eat the forbidden fruit.If Adam and Eve obeyed God. Then God can give 3 Great Blessings to them.1} self perfection;2}ideal marriage and family; and 3}dominion of the creation. But they disobeyed God. How? By listening to Lucifer, the archangel created by God as a servant, to serve God and His children.Before God created His children, Lucifer was the most beloved archangel of God. Lucifer was created by God in perfect beauty. Lucifer was the direct recipient of God's love. But when God created His children. He loved His children more than the servant.Then jealousy set in , Lucifer came close to Eve and tempted her. The servant was tempting the master. But Eve reciprocated the temptation.Then she tempted Adam. Then the fall happened. God created Adam and Eve and gave them freewill. They have the choice to make to obey God and recieve blessings or disobey God and be cursed. They chose the latter , they disobeyed God. Therefore, the fallen world got established. But Jesus came to save the fallen people. If you believe Him, then fallen people can be engrafted to the lineage of God as adopted sons and daughters.By the way, Lucifer got cursed too and became satan, the archenemy of God.
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