FragranceExotica wrote:Ok,Do you think head to head challenge ridiculous?
A Miss World is a spokesperson, she needs to talk with Presidents and Premiers of several nations. She needs to give interviews at BBC, Fox channels. Head to Head challenge helps the org to understand how strong a candidate can interact socially.
And if you want such things to be avoided, better join Miss Intercontinental, Miss Tourism International or any minor pageants like Miss Globe and super minor ones like "EMGIIII"
Remember, if you want to win Wimbledon, you need to know how to play tennis. For winning Miss World, train and practice the candidates according the pageant. Else dont sent. Simple as that. They already have 105 candidates. and 5 more bw crowned in October which results upto 110. Two or three countries not joining doesnt affect them that much.
So work hard, train and prep hard, things will change.
Chelsea wrote:FragranceExotica wrote:Ok,Do you think head to head challenge ridiculous?
A Miss World is a spokesperson, she needs to talk with Presidents and Premiers of several nations. She needs to give interviews at BBC, Fox channels. Head to Head challenge helps the org to understand how strong a candidate can interact socially.
And if you want such things to be avoided, better join Miss Intercontinental, Miss Tourism International or any minor pageants like Miss Globe and super minor ones like "EMGIIII"
Excuse me? You are saying that there is no other way to determine if a candidate can be a spokeperson than to do a head to head challenge?
A head to head challenge is a nonsense fast track where the same countries do well each year, because they have more fanatic fans to vote. How on earth could a small counry like...let's say... Luxemburg ever win a head to head challenge, even IF she was the best spokeperson of the group, when she is put up against countries that have 156 million more fanatic fans voting.
Head to head challenge has NOTHING to do with being the best spoke person, it's about coming from a country who has the biggest fanbase to vote.
Now, if this fast track would actually be judged by a panel of judges then it would have some sense. Now, it's just another way to get certain countries to get extra points.Remember, if you want to win Wimbledon, you need to know how to play tennis. For winning Miss World, train and practice the candidates according the pageant. Else dont sent. Simple as that. They already have 105 candidates. and 5 more bw crowned in October which results upto 110. Two or three countries not joining doesnt affect them that much.
So work hard, train and prep hard, things will change.
Doesn't matter how hard you practise, western countries can never make the same kind of BWAP-project than the countries from other continents. Just do your research and you will see how many times has a European made the top10 in BWAP. Yeah, not that often...
And no one is saying that two or three countries not joining in would affect them one way or another.
But in this case, we are actually talking about countries that have a loooooong history with this pageant. Countries that have sent a candidate every year since the beginning.
Pretty interesting that said countries now decide to give up on this pageant at the same time.
FragranceExotica wrote:can't you comprehend what I said? Where did I say head to head challenge is the only way to decide a spokesperson. Lol.
The thing is reps from western countries are very lazy to do groundwork on pageants. It's not always fanfare and voting.if that was the case Thailand would have won miss world year after year. The thing is you guys are either too lazy to change your way of approaching pageants in general or too ignorant about the system to which you sent your candidates. Come out of your shell, open your eyes to grow and learn. However as I said, there is politics in pageantry but it doesn't work always.
FragranceExotica wrote:Ok, the first basic rule of joining a Beauty pageant is to respect the organization, whichever small or major the thing is. if that goes right, clearly understand what the organization wants from a contestant.
Nowadays competition is getting tougher year after year. Nobody can predict one's placement. Even Venezuela clapped for 5 consecutive years at Miss World. Pageants like Femina Miss India grooms the candidate for several months and they do extensive social work for their BWAP projects, that gets reflected at the finale. I am not whitewashing pageant politics.
Who ever thought Mexico would grab a Miss World crown. But the national organization is doing exemplary job to snatch the crown.
Do you think head to head challenge ridiculous?
A Miss World is a spokesperson, she needs to talk with Presidents and Premiers of several nations. She needs to give interviews at BBC, Fox channels. Head to Head challenge helps the org to understand how strong a candidate can interact socially.
And if you want such things to be avoided, better join Miss Intercontinental, Miss Tourism International or any minor pageants like Miss Globe and super minor ones like "EMGIIII"
Remember, if you want to win Wimbledon, you need to know how to play tennis. For winning Miss World, train and practice the candidates according the pageant. Else dont sent. Simple as that. They already have 105 candidates. and 5 more bw crowned in October which results upto 110. Two or three countries not joining doesnt affect them that much.
So work hard, train and prep hard, things will change.
Jon A wrote:That's not it at all,
First of all, BWP is an optional event and it no longer counts towards your placement in the finale (like the other FTs) unless you win it. Because of exactly the reasons you mention, they have eliminated the Challenge system they used for some years.
And it is not as though the European countries have no problems or no socially relevant issues! Hello! Look at trafficking! Refugee resettlement! Animal shelters? Or are you saying that there is no domestic abuse? No prisons? No special needs children? [Is there something unique about Scandinavian air that normal genetic issues or cancer for children are absent?] No old age homes? Ukraine had a lovely project last year for GIFTED CHILDREN. Belgium has had a long standing program for years in Cambodia. Hello...just take a boat to the European mainland...it's not like the Scandinavian countries are so enormous that one can't travel. So I don't but BWP as something only "poor" countries need to address. The point is that MWO wants a winner who is aware of and connected to her community.
Finland will actually, for the reasons you mention be conducting a separate MW Finland pageant in the spring to give the winner enough time to prepare for the various different fast tracks so they can be more competitive. I get your point in a way but try to see that MW is actually more progressive - they are trying to say that one has to look beyond the obvious. The point of the FTs is that beauty can be expressed in many different ways, and the FTs give them a chance to do that. But they are not required to be successful. Stephanie Del Valle eg did nothing in the FTs. I don't think she even placed in the top 10 of any.
Kelly_Priestly wrote:The thread starter should have done some basic research before writing this ridiculous post. Today every pageant is structured differently, Miss World also announced their finale date months ago; not complying and sending a delegate on time speaks about your national director and not MWO. Miss World is one of the few pageants that truly has a lot of cultural and competitive activities. If you think Pageants are limited only to swimsuits and catwalks, then you must certainly come out of your medieval mentality.
Chelsea wrote:Kelly_Priestly wrote:The thread starter should have done some basic research before writing this ridiculous post. Today every pageant is structured differently, Miss World also announced their finale date months ago; not complying and sending a delegate on time speaks about your national director and not MWO. Miss World is one of the few pageants that truly has a lot of cultural and competitive activities. If you think Pageants are limited only to swimsuits and catwalks, then you must certainly come out of your medieval mentality.
Bit in bold
Where did I say this? Don't make assumptions and assume that this is what I think a beauty pageatns should be. Thank you very much.
I just want a fair pageant with activities, not a pageant who asks high amount sums for a license fee and then all the delegates do is sit for days straight in tracksuits at a conference room training for the final telecast show.
And as for the rest of your post:
You really don't know with whom you are talking to right now. I know my Miss World inside out. I know what they are looking for and require delegates to do each year. The thing is, that happens to be different every year. And also, the way they send info to countries varies based on what country you are. Certain countries get basic info and delegate information papers even before they have selected the national winner. Some countries have to wait until few weeks before the delegate is supposed to leave for the pageant befofe they receive any info.
Now does that sound fair?
Chelsea wrote:Jon A wrote:That's not it at all,
First of all, BWP is an optional event and it no longer counts towards your placement in the finale (like the other FTs) unless you win it. Because of exactly the reasons you mention, they have eliminated the Challenge system they used for some years.
That is not true. Just last year for example the top5 BWAP-challenge winners became quarter-finalists!
And BWAP is not optional, Talent is. BWAP is required every year by the organisation. Just think about what kind of picture a delegate would give of themselves if they would not have a project!
She would have NO CHANCE to to do well in the pageant.
Chelsea wrote:[Finland will actually, for the reasons you mention be conducting a separate MW Finland pageant in the spring to give the winner enough time to prepare for the various different fast tracks so they can be more competitive. I get your point in a way but try to see that MW is actually more progressive - they are trying to say that one has to look beyond the obvious. The point of the FTs is that beauty can be expressed in many different ways, and the FTs give them a chance to do that. But they are not required to be successful. Stephanie Del Valle eg did nothing in the FTs. I don't think she even placed in the top 10 of any.
And you know this by how? First I've heard of it...
But in any case, it is not because of the reasons I meantion above. If this is true, then it is because Miss Finland organisation has stepped down.
So of course anyone in Finland can get the license NOW if they want to. It would have been impossible to do so earlier since Miss Finland organisation has had the license forever and I bet that is something Miss World organisation has honoured, Finland's and it's organisations loyalty to the pageant. And actually Miss Finland pageant will move back to spring next year, so there would have been plenty of time to prepare to Miss World, but it's clear that Finland organisation don't want to anymore.
I have much respect for what Julia is doing with the BWAP-project in itself. But the way it's added to the pageant and all the FT's is just not making a exciting pageant anymore when the ladies are just sitting at the hotel practising to final telecast. So I'm not surprised that slowly countries (with looooong history to the pageant) are getting fed up. This means that the franchise license will be left with unknow people who probably will send a delegate one year, then back out the next year. Then someone else get's the license and then it just goes round and round.
Jon A wrote:It was in a news article in a Finnish paper where the organizer discussed why they were not sending anyone to Miss World. As far as I could make out, the MW franchise continues to be held by Miss Suomi Org and they will conduct the MW national preliminary still. It sounds therefore like two contests will be held but let us see if that is at all possible in the long run because they have tried this before and failed. I do agree that the overall economics of pageants and the low level of interest in Northern European countries makes this challenging, In fact, I feel that the best strategy is to have a combined Miss Scandinavia pageant to elect the reps for all three countries (ok, actually more than Scandinavia, it should be Norway Sweden Finland, since Denmark has a strong franchise already)....like Czech Universe and Slovak Universe have done recently. It just makes sense given that these are small countries.
the critic wrote:I'VE NEVER SEEN A MISS WORLD EDITION WHERE THE GIRLS ONLY REHEARSE FOR THE FINALS. THAT'S GROSS EXAGGERATION TO SELL YOUR POINT. INFACT THEY DO MANY ACTIVITIES AND TRAVELS IN THE HOST NATION AND COMPETE IN THE FAST TRACTS AND DO INTERVIEWS.
MWO SHOULDN'T STOP REWARDING GIRLS LIKE THOSE BECAUSE YOU FEEL YOUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE MANY ISSUES TO CHOOSE FROM OR YOUR COUNTRY'S ORGANIZATION FEELS INSECURE ABOUT THEIR CHANCES.
Chelsea wrote:Jon A wrote:It was in a news article in a Finnish paper where the organizer discussed why they were not sending anyone to Miss World. As far as I could make out, the MW franchise continues to be held by Miss Suomi Org and they will conduct the MW national preliminary still. It sounds therefore like two contests will be held but let us see if that is at all possible in the long run because they have tried this before and failed. I do agree that the overall economics of pageants and the low level of interest in Northern European countries makes this challenging, In fact, I feel that the best strategy is to have a combined Miss Scandinavia pageant to elect the reps for all three countries (ok, actually more than Scandinavia, it should be Norway Sweden Finland, since Denmark has a strong franchise already)....like Czech Universe and Slovak Universe have done recently. It just makes sense given that these are small countries.
Okey, well then someone has translated that article to you a incorrectly. Cause the organizer has never said that.
She said in that article that Finland has decided to pass on this years Miss World and is looking for a new international pageant into which the second runner up could be sent hopefully in springtime.
She never said anything about creating a seperate pageant to find Miss World Finland.
And Miss Finland has only been held three years now during fall. And the short preparation time is too little of a time so that is why they are planning to move the pageant back to spring.
Chelsea wrote:the critic wrote:I'VE NEVER SEEN A MISS WORLD EDITION WHERE THE GIRLS ONLY REHEARSE FOR THE FINALS. THAT'S GROSS EXAGGERATION TO SELL YOUR POINT. INFACT THEY DO MANY ACTIVITIES AND TRAVELS IN THE HOST NATION AND COMPETE IN THE FAST TRACTS AND DO INTERVIEWS.
Okey, maybe I was a bit unfair in saying that ALL THEY DO is rehears.
But it sounds like you didn't even follow the 2016 and 2018 editions. Where did they travel? Besides going to see a theatre in New York in 2016.
Many activities? I don't think so.MWO SHOULDN'T STOP REWARDING GIRLS LIKE THOSE BECAUSE YOU FEEL YOUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE MANY ISSUES TO CHOOSE FROM OR YOUR COUNTRY'S ORGANIZATION FEELS INSECURE ABOUT THEIR CHANCES.
Point remains charity should not be a contest.
Every charityproject should be praised, cause I'm sure each delegate will put their heart and soul to their projects for a good cause.
Jon A wrote:I used Google translate and confirmed with a Finnish friend who is well connected to pageants in Finland.
The point about the 2 RU is that because she will not go to MW, she will go to some other pageant which they are looking for - and she specifically wants to go to one in Asia.
But the fact was very clear that to give the girl adequate time to prepare for MW, they will skip this year and hold a separate pageant in the spring to select someone for MW
Chelsea wrote:Jon A wrote:I used Google translate and confirmed with a Finnish friend who is well connected to pageants in Finland.
The point about the 2 RU is that because she will not go to MW, she will go to some other pageant which they are looking for - and she specifically wants to go to one in Asia.
But the fact was very clear that to give the girl adequate time to prepare for MW, they will skip this year and hold a separate pageant in the spring to select someone for MW
We all know that google translate is not the most accurate translator.
https://www.iltalehti.fi/viihdeuutiset/ ... 94a5eaaf31
If THIS is the article you are referring to, then as a finn, who speaks finnish fluently (LOL) I can ASSURE you that in no part of this article does it say that the Miss Finland organisation is going to hold a Miss Finland World pageant next spring. Sunneva Kantola only confirms that we are skipping this year, and there is hopes to find some other pageant for the 2nd ru
And also side note, I happen to know FOR A FACT that there is no plans to held a Miss World Finland pageant, not by the Miss Finland organisation anyways.
If some modelling agency or other buys the MW license then they can do whatever. But Miss Finland organisation is not doing that.
venice wrote:Beauty queens from Nordic countries are some of the most uninteresting from Europe. Swedish beauties are the only saving grace from the region. Iceland offers up a suprise at Miss World sometimes.
Finland hasn't placed at Miss World since 2014 and they haven't placed at Miss Universe in over a generation. Where Miss World is concerned they won't be missed because Europe always has huge contingent. France and Russia are the only countries that have any real impact on pageants on the continent. The countries of the United Kingdom also matter for Miss World.
Chelsea wrote:venice wrote:Beauty queens from Nordic countries are some of the most uninteresting from Europe. Swedish beauties are the only saving grace from the region. Iceland offers up a suprise at Miss World sometimes.
Finland hasn't placed at Miss World since 2014 and they haven't placed at Miss Universe in over a generation. Where Miss World is concerned they won't be missed because Europe always has huge contingent. France and Russia are the only countries that have any real impact on pageants on the continent. The countries of the United Kingdom also matter for Miss World.
When countries like Sweden, Norway, Finland and now maybe Denmark are stepping out of this pageant you can bet that Julia Morley and the whole Miss World team is in panic mode.
We are talking about countries that have a long history in this pageant. We have taken part from the start. Finland has not skipped one single year of this pageant since we first started participating. It's not about how well nordic countries have done, it's about continuity, coutries who don't just skip one year, be back the next and then again skip one year.
Miss World organisation has been able to count on these countries for license fees and just being there. We all know how Julia wants to keep this pageant the biggest in terms of participating countries. And now more and more countries from Europe are dropping out, countries that MW organisation has used to count on for being there. So yes, the are panicking, cause this effects the whole pageant. If more and more drop out, pretty soon the number is back under 100 and Julia does not want that.
The issue is NOT what countries you think is uninteresting and who YOU won't miss. It's about the whole pageant, not what certain pageant fans think of it.
Even as we speak I happen to know MW organisation is doing everything in their power to get these european countries back on the pageant.
jalzamani wrote:Almost 110 countries are participating in Miss World and 7 more countries are gonna announce their candidates soon. Why Julia should be panic about a few non so well performing countries threatening to quit because of bitterness. Bye bye. Lol
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