Lord Marie_Juana wrote:With two months of pre-pageant activities, Miss Earth can still hold an actual pageant instead of a virtual coronation if they only transport/fly the Top 16 girls (based on the pre pageant criteria) to a venue/country that has less covid cases (ex. Vietnam and Thailand).
With just 16 girls competing in the final coronation night, I think it's easily manageable and less risky. I think this is more doable and at the same time, pageant fans will be happy to watch an actual coronation with Nellys crowning her successor!
Lord Marie_Juana wrote:With two months of pre-pageant activities, Miss Earth can still hold an actual pageant instead of a virtual coronation if they only transport/fly the Top 16 girls (based on the pre pageant criteria) to a venue/country that has less covid cases (ex. Vietnam and Thailand).
With just 16 girls competing in the final coronation night, I think it's easily manageable and less risky. I think this is more doable and at the same time, pageant fans will be happy to watch an actual coronation with Nellys crowning her successor!
Ea'rend¿l wrote:Lord Marie_Juana wrote:With two months of pre-pageant activities, Miss Earth can still hold an actual pageant instead of a virtual coronation if they only transport/fly the Top 16 girls (based on the pre pageant criteria) to a venue/country that has less covid cases (ex. Vietnam and Thailand).
With just 16 girls competing in the final coronation night, I think it's easily manageable and less risky. I think this is more doable and at the same time, pageant fans will be happy to watch an actual coronation with Nellys crowning her successor!
Ang brainy mo. I like the idea.
manoypoe wrote:Lord Marie_Juana wrote:With two months of pre-pageant activities, Miss Earth can still hold an actual pageant instead of a virtual coronation if they only transport/fly the Top 16 girls (based on the pre pageant criteria) to a venue/country that has less covid cases (ex. Vietnam and Thailand).
With just 16 girls competing in the final coronation night, I think it's easily manageable and less risky. I think this is more doable and at the same time, pageant fans will be happy to watch an actual coronation with Nellys crowning her successor!
I was thinking of same too. It is doable and they can do it in Vietnam or Cambodia, charter the plane. Too expensive but if they have a sponsors, why not? But with the world economy going downhill, Carousel would probably be bashed and criticized. So virtual is still the only option.
supladoman wrote:manoypoe wrote:Lord Marie_Juana wrote:With two months of pre-pageant activities, Miss Earth can still hold an actual pageant instead of a virtual coronation if they only transport/fly the Top 16 girls (based on the pre pageant criteria) to a venue/country that has less covid cases (ex. Vietnam and Thailand).
With just 16 girls competing in the final coronation night, I think it's easily manageable and less risky. I think this is more doable and at the same time, pageant fans will be happy to watch an actual coronation with Nellys crowning her successor!
I was thinking of same too. It is doable and they can do it in Vietnam or Cambodia, charter the plane. Too expensive but if they have a sponsors, why not? But with the world economy going downhill, Carousel would probably be bashed and criticized. So virtual is still the only option.
This only shows na kahit anong gawin mo may masasabi at masasabi ang tao haha. Though its a good idea, the challenge here is if the said countries will approve doing it on their territory.
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Are we trying to suggest that both countries of Vietnam and Cambodia are desperate to stage the annual event without first knowing the actual nationalist pulse and sensitivities of the people of these countries? Wouldn't it seem like an aberration of sorts if a private organization such as Carousel/MEO attempt in doing an initiative without the necessary government protocols being observed foremost?
What national benefit will that bring either to the Vietnamese or Cambodian people by bringing 16 foreign delegates and a horde of MEO support staff to their shores and risk their own people (and vice versa) to a possible risk?
How does MEO convince the delegates and their respective family they are safe from danger and harm travelling far into a foreign country where the sentiments of the local population are not clearly known to any of them? Will the host country assume full responsibility, hence, face possible international backlash if any untoward incident happens (heaven forbid!) or any of the delegate or foreign staff getting infected in the course of the event?
Has anyone among so-called believers pondered on the hard questions that need specific answers?
manoypoe wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
Are we trying to suggest that both countries of Vietnam and Cambodia are desperate to stage the annual event without first knowing the actual nationalist pulse and sensitivities of the people of these countries? Wouldn't it seem like an aberration of sorts if a private organization such as Carousel/MEO attempt in doing an initiative without the necessary government protocols being observed foremost?
What national benefit will that bring either to the Vietnamese or Cambodian people by bringing 16 foreign delegates and a horde of MEO support staff to their shores and risk their own people (and vice versa) to a possible risk?
How does MEO convince the delegates and their respective family they are safe from danger and harm travelling far into a foreign country where the sentiments of the local population are not clearly known to any of them? Will the host country assume full responsibility, hence, face possible international backlash if any untoward incident happens (heaven forbid!) or any of the delegate or foreign staff getting infected in the course of the event?
Has anyone among so-called believers pondered on the hard questions that need specific answers?
This is just a discussion. Dont take it seriously. I mentioned Vietnam, Cambodia or even Thailand as they have less Covid patients. OF course, everything must be considered including the discussion with their government in case there will be talks about this. The possibility of this happening is remote and we are only discussing the possibility, remote it may be.
Geeyourhair wrote:Lord Marie's suggestion would have been doable if Chavit Singsong is the official sponsor. Chavit has a private plane and he can easily fly the top 16 to his mansion and do the pageant from his backyard, lol.
Also, I don't think Vietnam, Cambodia or even New Zealand will allow such pageant to occur. Their citizen will surely object for such an idea specially that we will not only expect the top 16 to gather around but the staff as well who are mostly from the Philippines, which the world knows still struggling to stop the spread of covid.
I think the best way to stage this pageant live is yes to fly to them out to un inhabited island where there is no risk to transmit covid to people.
beautywatchnyc wrote:manoypoe wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
Are we trying to suggest that both countries of Vietnam and Cambodia are desperate to stage the annual event without first knowing the actual nationalist pulse and sensitivities of the people of these countries? Wouldn't it seem like an aberration of sorts if a private organization such as Carousel/MEO attempt in doing an initiative without the necessary government protocols being observed foremost?
What national benefit will that bring either to the Vietnamese or Cambodian people by bringing 16 foreign delegates and a horde of MEO support staff to their shores and risk their own people (and vice versa) to a possible risk?
How does MEO convince the delegates and their respective family they are safe from danger and harm travelling far into a foreign country where the sentiments of the local population are not clearly known to any of them? Will the host country assume full responsibility, hence, face possible international backlash if any untoward incident happens (heaven forbid!) or any of the delegate or foreign staff getting infected in the course of the event?
Has anyone among so-called believers pondered on the hard questions that need specific answers?
This is just a discussion. Dont take it seriously. I mentioned Vietnam, Cambodia or even Thailand as they have less Covid patients. OF course, everything must be considered including the discussion with their government in case there will be talks about this. The possibility of this happening is remote and we are only discussing the possibility, remote it may be.
Aren't you over reacting? Or did I touch some raw nerves? Reason why, at the onset I said, "are you trying to suggest"?
My reply wasn't meant for you but a reaction fired to the TS. With the deadly pandemic happening all over, I do take things very seriously esp if that has anything to do with the global phenomenon as C19. I took the opposite view as no one amongst us can safely determine the exact sensibilities, i.e. how a local Vietnamese or Cambodian may react if he/she happens to not pivot into any such activities as a beauty pageant.
I'd be flummoxed, albeit slighted, if I were Cambodian or Vietnamese national. Why? Simply because I may not personally champion the world of a beauty pageant as you might be. It's for "discussion" alright, but isn't that a tad overbearing ascribing the event to a foreign country knowing that the incidence or mortality of infection rate due the global pandemic in that country was decidedly lesser?
Note, too, I concluded with a "can still" in my closing saying it could be the TS's sole perception. But you failed to get the drift in the addendum.
beautywatchnyc wrote:Geeyourhair wrote:Lord Marie's suggestion would have been doable if Chavit Singsong is the official sponsor. Chavit has a private plane and he can easily fly the top 16 to his mansion and do the pageant from his backyard, lol.
Also, I don't think Vietnam, Cambodia or even New Zealand will allow such pageant to occur. Their citizen will surely object for such an idea specially that we will not only expect the top 16 to gather around but the staff as well who are mostly from the Philippines, which the world knows still struggling to stop the spread of covid.
I think the best way to stage this pageant live is yes to fly to them out to un inhabited island where there is no risk to transmit covid to people.
In an uninhabited island, that we have innumerable locations from north to south, east to west and all across our archipelago. I'm asking the hard questions: How do we address the requirements of venue, connectivity, billeting and accommodation, logistics, health and insurance, personal safety and security concerns? I hope we can get simpler than just do lip service. No offense! "New normal", but not even near-or-almost-normal, is all I hope for.
manoypoe wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:manoypoe wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
Are we trying to suggest that both countries of Vietnam and Cambodia are desperate to stage the annual event without first knowing the actual nationalist pulse and sensitivities of the people of these countries? Wouldn't it seem like an aberration of sorts if a private organization such as Carousel/MEO attempt in doing an initiative without the necessary government protocols being observed foremost?
What national benefit will that bring either to the Vietnamese or Cambodian people by bringing 16 foreign delegates and a horde of MEO support staff to their shores and risk their own people (and vice versa) to a possible risk?
How does MEO convince the delegates and their respective family they are safe from danger and harm travelling far into a foreign country where the sentiments of the local population are not clearly known to any of them? Will the host country assume full responsibility, hence, face possible international backlash if any untoward incident happens (heaven forbid!) or any of the delegate or foreign staff getting infected in the course of the event?
Has anyone among so-called believers pondered on the hard questions that need specific answers?
This is just a discussion. Dont take it seriously. I mentioned Vietnam, Cambodia or even Thailand as they have less Covid patients. OF course, everything must be considered including the discussion with their government in case there will be talks about this. The possibility of this happening is remote and we are only discussing the possibility, remote it may be.
Aren't you over reacting? Or did I touch some raw nerves? Reason why, at the onset I said, "are you trying to suggest"?
My reply wasn't meant for you but a reaction fired to the TS. With the deadly pandemic happening all over, I do take things very seriously esp if that has anything to do with the global phenomenon as C19. I took the opposite view as no one amongst us can safely determine the exact sensibilities, i.e. how a local Vietnamese or Cambodian may react if he/she happens to not pivot into any such activities as a beauty pageant.
I'd be flummoxed, albeit slighted, if I were Cambodian or Vietnamese national. Why? Simply because I may not personally champion the world of a beauty pageant as you might be. It's for "discussion" alright, but isn't that a tad overbearing ascribing the event to a foreign country knowing that the incidence or mortality of infection rate due the global pandemic in that country was decidedly lesser?
Note, too, I concluded with a "can still" in my closing saying it could be the TS's sole perception. But you failed to get the drift in the addendum.
There is no trace of over reaction in my message or you touching some of my raw nerves. It might be the other way around? You know, I have mellowed and enjoyed any discussion whatever there is to discuss about Miss Earth. I don't take things seriously and refrain reacting negatively on other forumer's views about Miss Earth that is why I said, it is only a discussion about Earthlings. Nothing serious. When it comes to other topics, it is another story.
To be honest, I did not read your entire comments, any addendum and changes you have done later on. I only reacted regarding Vietnam and Cambodia coz I was the one who mentioned these countries. There were earlier discussions about these countries having less covid cases and possibility of holding the pageant in one of them but of course with the permission of their government... hmmmm....
beautywatchnyc wrote:manoypoe wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:manoypoe wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
Are we trying to suggest that both countries of Vietnam and Cambodia are desperate to stage the annual event without first knowing the actual nationalist pulse and sensitivities of the people of these countries? Wouldn't it seem like an aberration of sorts if a private organization such as Carousel/MEO attempt in doing an initiative without the necessary government protocols being observed foremost?
What national benefit will that bring either to the Vietnamese or Cambodian people by bringing 16 foreign delegates and a horde of MEO support staff to their shores and risk their own people (and vice versa) to a possible risk?
How does MEO convince the delegates and their respective family they are safe from danger and harm travelling far into a foreign country where the sentiments of the local population are not clearly known to any of them? Will the host country assume full responsibility, hence, face possible international backlash if any untoward incident happens (heaven forbid!) or any of the delegate or foreign staff getting infected in the course of the event?
Has anyone among so-called believers pondered on the hard questions that need specific answers?
This is just a discussion. Dont take it seriously. I mentioned Vietnam, Cambodia or even Thailand as they have less Covid patients. OF course, everything must be considered including the discussion with their government in case there will be talks about this. The possibility of this happening is remote and we are only discussing the possibility, remote it may be.
Aren't you over reacting? Or did I touch some raw nerves? Reason why, at the onset I said, "are you trying to suggest"?
My reply wasn't meant for you but a reaction fired to the TS. With the deadly pandemic happening all over, I do take things very seriously esp if that has anything to do with the global phenomenon as C19. I took the opposite view as no one amongst us can safely determine the exact sensibilities, i.e. how a local Vietnamese or Cambodian may react if he/she happens to not pivot into any such activities as a beauty pageant.
I'd be flummoxed, albeit slighted, if I were Cambodian or Vietnamese national. Why? Simply because I may not personally champion the world of a beauty pageant as you might be. It's for "discussion" alright, but isn't that a tad overbearing ascribing the event to a foreign country knowing that the incidence or mortality of infection rate due the global pandemic in that country was decidedly lesser?
Note, too, I concluded with a "can still" in my closing saying it could be the TS's sole perception. But you failed to get the drift in the addendum.
There is no trace of over reaction in my message or you touching some of my raw nerves. It might be the other way around? You know, I have mellowed and enjoyed any discussion whatever there is to discuss about Miss Earth. I don't take things seriously and refrain reacting negatively on other forumer's views about Miss Earth that is why I said, it is only a discussion about Earthlings. Nothing serious. When it comes to other topics, it is another story.
To be honest, I did not read your entire comments, any addendum and changes you have done later on. I only reacted regarding Vietnam and Cambodia coz I was the one who mentioned these countries. There were earlier discussions about these countries having less covid cases and possibility of holding the pageant in one of them but of course with the permission of their government... hmmmm....
Oh, sorry if that was so? Asking (or was it telling?) me to not take things seriously as it was meant for discussion only was akin to a dressing down syndrome. And quite scathing to me personally esp that it concerns a possible transmission of the virus between and to other nationalities outside our own. Manila-based Ms Earth has decided to stage the event on-line means that all things considered, the locally-based MEO shuns staging the event face-to-face real-time? If Carousel were constrained to hold the finals in our own shores, that itself precludes the organization's moral imperatives but which they're up and wiling to abide with.
Was it morally upright even to suggest holding the pageant in countries like Cambodia, Thailand, or Vietnam knowing that these countries have less covid cases than what the Philippines had experienced thus far? Doon sa kanila ayus lang kasi di masyado sila affected; para lang di maganda pakinggan and considering the seriousness of the scare as if something isn't morally appropriate.
New Zealand tops the list of countries that has a very low if not zero stats where covid death toll is the gauge. I cannot imagine how NZ nationals would react if Carousel hints at staging the pageant in their covid-free soil?
beautywatchnyc wrote:
I like that, Manoypoe. Who knows? The mind quickly avalanched. When enough people speculate, somebody always gets it right. We go a long way back following ME, where soft days and easy days have their appeal. I'm excited for ME2020!
Lord Marie_Juana wrote:With two months of pre-pageant activities, Miss Earth can still hold an actual pageant instead of a virtual coronation if they only transport/fly the Top 16 girls (based on the pre pageant criteria) to a venue/country that has less covid cases (ex. Vietnam and Thailand).
With just 16 girls competing in the final coronation night, I think it's easily manageable and less risky. I think this is more doable and at the same time, pageant fans will be happy to watch an actual coronation with Nellys crowning her successor!
Handsama wrote:I’ve had similar thoughts before. Why not make it a hybrid pageant. The problem with this pandemic is that it’s unpredictable. For instance, Vietnam may not have that many cases as of yet but we don’t know where it will be in a few months. And even if the top 16 do make it to the host country, how safe will it be for them to travel around. Because if they’re gonna be stuck in a hotel for a week just so we can have a live pageant, it may not be worth the expenses. Just imagine the cost of airfare alone.
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