Jon A wrote:@Juan Sebastian - I know you say that MW is fixed but it is not. What you are missing is how the winner of MW is decided. You assume that the finale decides it but it doesn't - everyone knows that (or should). Certainly the girls competing know that. It was that way only up till 2003 when Rosanna Davison won, and gave MWO so many problems that they decided to never let a winner get decided based on a brief stage appearance and instead evaluate her for the whole month. With BWP and all that the winner is expected to do gaining mroe importance over the years, what they are looking for is also more complex than a stage walk and a clever answer. So the girls are evaluated continuously by all MWO staff from the date that they arrive in the host country, their performance in various tryouts (not just their FT results), attitude, how they get along with other girls, and of course their preliminary interviews (MW has 2) and BWP work. The finale is simply to break ties and to give some weight to "star quality." In some ways, it is not so different from how we as pageant fans/observers view this - by the time the finale comes along, we pretty much have an idea of who we want as the winner (give or take 2-3 others) - and the performance on stage *can* help break that tie. But every girl comes to the competition with a fair and equal chance - once they are accepted, they have an equal chance to win the crown. Now, of course they need to perform and need a LOT of luck as well (amazing how we always discount that!). That is why you see very little repeat success at MW (either in wins or in placement even) - it is the girl, rather than the pageant system that matters and that natural variation has to be expected from year to year. A good pageant system should simply help eliminate weaknesses but not act as a substitute for the girl itself. [IMO, this is where MUO fails, but that is a different story].
Now, you (and many others) may disagree with this, but MWO has every right to choose winners in the way they see fit, and they are also quite transparent about it. It makes a difference, and for example, filters out girls who start as frontrunners like Ana Girault (who was elimnated not because of her nude photos, but because she went on social media to react to it and start a campaign when MWO had explicity instructed her to not react) and Manasvi Mamgai who otherwise would have been great winners. And you can't argue with the winners Julia has ultimately ended up with, each has been special and memorable in her own way with not a whiff of scandal and all of them greatly attached to the MWO long after their reign has ended. But for some reason, pageant fans choose to ignore this, assume that every contest has to select its winners in a stage finale format, and that MWO is rigged. And it boggles my mind. If Mexico loses, it is rigged. If Mexico wins, it is rigged.
Miss Universe is different. It makes a big production about the jury panel having an independent and independent of the prelims take on the girls in the finale so if they compromise that, shame on them.
At the end of the day we can't really say what is happening, but we can only hope that there is fairness.
mvgc wrote:Let's see now tha class and education of the peruvian queens
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karangolos wrote:Hablando de conspiración?
Recordemos cuando el alcalde de Doral junto a al presidente de Colombia Juan Manuel Santosconspiraban lo que mas tarde vimos, una ciudad fantasma saliendo de la nada a organizar el Miss Universe.
Presidente de Colombia y el alacalde de Doral / Diciembre 2013
Resultado final
Pero vamos hay que asegurar la corona!!!
Que tal si por ahí deslizamos la posibilidad de que el Miss Universe podría suceder en Colombia ya que nadie quiere organizarlo
https://www.elheraldo.co/tendencias/nin ... rso-167166
Paulina Vega Dieppa, actual Señorita Colombia.
Sobre si Colombia está en capacidad para realizar un Miss Universo, Diego Guarnizo, director de arte y quien ha trabajado en la televisón nacional para la trasmisión de eventos internacionales, manifiesta que “el país está preparado para la organización de este evento y hasta para más grandes, ya que cuenta con los escenarios en ciudades como Medellín, Bogotá, Cartagena o Barranquilla, además ofrecer una buena producción,
pero que tal si también ponemos un juez colombiano en la final . verdad Nina Garcia
Juan Sebastian wrote:One of our most famous first runners ups is not slowing down one bit, Carolina Gomez is looking like she could compete and become first runner up or win all over again!
Aging perfectly and all these photos are from the last week
bukita wrote:Thai girls who go far in MW are...
Miss Thailand World 1989 Pathumrat "Helen" Woramali - TOP5 and Queen of Asia Miss World 1989
Miss Thailand World 1997 Tanya Tiana "Thaen" Suesuntisook - TOP5 and Miss Personality Miss World 1997
Miss Thailand World 2018 Nicolene Pichapa Limsnukan - Miss World Global Vote, Miss World Asia and Runner-up Miss World 2018
moon gin wrote:Regarding the news of Thailand as MW 2019 host - unless MWO announces it, I don't think it's 100% official. I would love to have Thailand as a host country though as we all know Thailand is doing great as pageant host and it's a good place for a change after years and years having China as the host.
moon gin wrote:Regarding the news of Thailand as MW 2019 host - unless MWO announces it, I don't think it's 100% official. I would love to have Thailand as a host country though as we all know Thailand is doing great as pageant host and it's a good place for a change after years and years having China as the host.
the critic wrote:moon gin wrote:Regarding the news of Thailand as MW 2019 host - unless MWO announces it, I don't think it's 100% official. I would love to have Thailand as a host country though as we all know Thailand is doing great as pageant host and it's a good place for a change after years and years having China as the host.
ONCE PHOTOS GO PUBLIC AND JULIA AND HER TEAM ATTENDS MEETINGS ITS PRETTY MUCH A DONE DEAL. THIS TRIP WASNT FOR BWAP. THE ONLY WAY IT WILL CHANGE IS IF ANOTHER COUNTRY/CITY PUTS FORWARD A MORE LUCRATIVE DEAL.
olivianina wrote:moon gin wrote:Regarding the news of Thailand as MW 2019 host - unless MWO announces it, I don't think it's 100% official. I would love to have Thailand as a host country though as we all know Thailand is doing great as pageant host and it's a good place for a change after years and years having China as the host.
Thailand is a great host.
But it should make sure to be aware of the master chef’s exploitative nature and to not become a willing victim of her evil schemes.
Juan Sebastian wrote:ATTENTION EVERYONE! I want to share with you..............the most beautiful girl in Perú of 2019
Juan Sebastian wrote:Whats up Miss World hoes! I see the traffic has died down since I left so I thought I would stop by to help bring it back up
Tonight we will be comparing INSTAGRAM FOLLOWERS, starring Colombian clappers in Miss Universe and former Miss World titleholders
How this game will work is that we will take 5 randomly selected Colombian clappers in Miss Universe from the 2000s and add up the total of instagram followers, then we will add 5 former Miss World titleholders from the 2000s instagram followers and see who has more followers!
Starting with the Colombian Clappers
Valeria Morales - 314k followers
Lucia Aldana - 126k followers
Daniella Alvarez - 470k followers
Eileen Roca - 392k followers
Adriana Tarud - 299k followers
TOTAL = 1,601,000 Million Followers on Instagram!
Now its Team Miss Worlds Turn!
Alexandria Mills - 2,653 followers
Mireia Lalaguna - 98.7k followers
Rolene Strauss - 295k followers
Maju Mantilla - 764k followers
Tatana Kucharova - 218k
TOTAL = 1,112,853 followers on instagram
Well it looks like Colombia won this one! 1,601 million is greater than 1,112 million! How sad is that for Miss World, even with Maju Mantillas several hundreds of thousands of followers and Rolene in the mix, Colombian clappers are STILL more relevant!
EDIT: I misadded Miss World, it is 1,378,353 still less than 1.6 million though lmao
moon gin wrote:I think the problem here is that a lot of people simplifying the importance of BWAP spirit of Miss World into winning or placing at BWAP Fast Track. While it is actually much larger than that.
If we look back at BWAP winners at Miss World, we normally have girls with large-scale projects and supported heavily by their national organization and/or humanitarian/government organization as the winners. The reason is perhaps because these BWAP projects requires great effort of work and most of them have long-term effect that the BWAP judges value them more. But there are also girls with a lot simpler projects, and while their projects are not as elaborate as the BWAP winners, it does not mean these girls are less qualified to be a BWAP ambassador than the BWAP winner.
Take case of Miss Nepal in 2018. She works together with a humanitarian organization there to help a village deep in the rural area of Nepal. They try to provide everything from blankets, to clothes, to electricity, to household necessities. The project is in large-scale and even the intended target is hard to reach in the deep of Nepal. So when the judges award these efforts with BWAP award, it's well understood.
On the other hand Miss Thailand in 2018 is focusing more towards children with autism. The project may not be in such a grand scale as Miss Nepal, but Miss Thailand has started to be involved in humanitarian work since she was 5 years old, meaning she has been working at some scale for charitable cause for 15 years now. She even received an award from former US President Obama for her long-time dedication for social work. Now, her BWAP project at Miss World might not make the Top 25, but when we know about her story and how she has been involved in social work since very young age, can we say that she is less deserving to be a BWAP ambassador than Miss Nepal for example?
The BWAP award is presented for the girl with the best social project presented to MWO each year, but BWAP itself is beyond that. Just because a girl does not win BWAP award, does not mean she is not a good advocate for BWAP project. In fact Miss Thailand won her 2nd head to Head Challenge duel, where the girls were required to speak and advocate their BWAP cause, showing that she is pretty much capable of being a BWAp ambassador and placing high at Miss World.
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