itsrowdy801 wrote:Jonathan Nguyen wrote:How the hell Trump has had public rallies and we are still not sure about having Miss USA 2020.
Stooping to the level of Trump supporters isn't necessarily the best course of action at all. If I were to do everything Trump supporters do, I'd be a horrible individual lmao.
That said, I do think the fact that the protests going on right now (outdoors and masked) haven't really caused much of a spread in cases, which MIGHT be a sign that it may be safe to have an outdoor pageant with a masked audience. Of course, the protests are a lot more important to a lot more people, but the fact that transmission at protests isn't that common does give me hope that Miss USA can go on with certain preventative measures in place.
Juan Sebastian wrote:I am almost 100% sure USA will win Miss Universe this year, Olivia Culpo style like 2012. Because of the current situation I’m expecting another quick low budget pageant and they’ll invest a lot into her like they did with Olivia.
I also think she will for sure be Black because of the Black Lives Matter movement, only white girl who has a shot is Utah because she is LGBTQ+
I need to read more about the Black candidates because I’m sure one of them is Miss Universe 2020, sure of it
itsrowdy801 wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:I am almost 100% sure USA will win Miss Universe this year, Olivia Culpo style like 2012. Because of the current situation I’m expecting another quick low budget pageant and they’ll invest a lot into her like they did with Olivia.
I also think she will for sure be Black because of the Black Lives Matter movement, only white girl who has a shot is Utah because she is LGBTQ+
I need to read more about the Black candidates because I’m sure one of them is Miss Universe 2020, sure of it
I just don't agree with the theory people keep pushing that pageants are rigged to be won by a certain race. I think there are plenty of black contestants who can win on their own merits, and there are plenty of non-black contestants that would also be a wonderful Miss USA or Miss Universe. We should be working on uniting people, not going around spreading the rhetoric that "Miss USA is rigged so only black girls can win!!"
Queen of the Clouds wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:I am almost 100% sure USA will win Miss Universe this year, Olivia Culpo style like 2012. Because of the current situation I’m expecting another quick low budget pageant and they’ll invest a lot into her like they did with Olivia.
I also think she will for sure be Black because of the Black Lives Matter movement, only white girl who has a shot is Utah because she is LGBTQ+
I need to read more about the Black candidates because I’m sure one of them is Miss Universe 2020, sure of it
I just don't agree with the theory people keep pushing that pageants are rigged to be won by a certain race. I think there are plenty of black contestants who can win on their own merits, and there are plenty of non-black contestants that would also be a wonderful Miss USA or Miss Universe. We should be working on uniting people, not going around spreading the rhetoric that "Miss USA is rigged so only black girls can win!!"
I agree. Cheslie, Zozi, and Kaliegh were all the strongest performers in their pageants. They aced their final questions and clearly beat their competitors. If none of the black girls can do that this year, they will not win; if they can do that, maybe they will.
Juan Sebastian wrote:Queen of the Clouds wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:I am almost 100% sure USA will win Miss Universe this year, Olivia Culpo style like 2012. Because of the current situation I’m expecting another quick low budget pageant and they’ll invest a lot into her like they did with Olivia.
I also think she will for sure be Black because of the Black Lives Matter movement, only white girl who has a shot is Utah because she is LGBTQ+
I need to read more about the Black candidates because I’m sure one of them is Miss Universe 2020, sure of it
I just don't agree with the theory people keep pushing that pageants are rigged to be won by a certain race. I think there are plenty of black contestants who can win on their own merits, and there are plenty of non-black contestants that would also be a wonderful Miss USA or Miss Universe. We should be working on uniting people, not going around spreading the rhetoric that "Miss USA is rigged so only black girls can win!!"
I agree. Cheslie, Zozi, and Kaliegh were all the strongest performers in their pageants. They aced their final questions and clearly beat their competitors. If none of the black girls can do that this year, they will not win; if they can do that, maybe they will.I don't agree with it either to an extent because I think all 3 winners this year really deserved it. HOWEVER, the MUO has been known to capitalize on current events in recent years to come off as progressive and they also have target audiences. In the Trump era it was Latin America, but that doesn't mean none of the Latina winners didn't deserve it!!!!! IMG's target audience is the Black community and some Asian countries like Philippines and Thailand.
Juan Sebastian wrote:Queen of the Clouds wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:I am almost 100% sure USA will win Miss Universe this year, Olivia Culpo style like 2012. Because of the current situation I’m expecting another quick low budget pageant and they’ll invest a lot into her like they did with Olivia.
I also think she will for sure be Black because of the Black Lives Matter movement, only white girl who has a shot is Utah because she is LGBTQ+
I need to read more about the Black candidates because I’m sure one of them is Miss Universe 2020, sure of it
I just don't agree with the theory people keep pushing that pageants are rigged to be won by a certain race. I think there are plenty of black contestants who can win on their own merits, and there are plenty of non-black contestants that would also be a wonderful Miss USA or Miss Universe. We should be working on uniting people, not going around spreading the rhetoric that "Miss USA is rigged so only black girls can win!!"
I agree. Cheslie, Zozi, and Kaliegh were all the strongest performers in their pageants. They aced their final questions and clearly beat their competitors. If none of the black girls can do that this year, they will not win; if they can do that, maybe they will.I don't agree with it either to an extent because I think all 3 winners this year really deserved it. HOWEVER, the MUO has been known to capitalize on current events in recent years to come off as progressive and they also have target audiences. In the Trump era it was Latin America, but that doesn't mean none of the Latina winners didn't deserve it!!!!! IMG's target audience is the Black community and some Asian countries like Philippines and Thailand.
missfinlandia wrote:
The headshots are up. So I guess there will be a pageant after all.
https://www.missuniverse.com/missusa/contestants
The Duchess wrote:Seeing how countries are doing virtual pageants (Ew but you know, it is what it is) and seeing how Miss Universe Puerto Rico has "very important announcements" coming on the 21st (lots of rumors, but nothing definite) and the president wanting the country to go back to normal (even to the point of threating schools that don't open) I think the Miss USA will try to be between November-January.
Honestly I hope that my organization just appoints either Estefania (She is living in Holland and is either close to reaching the age cap or reached it so we don't know if she qualifies) or Fabiola (much better choice honestly). They should just move the 2020 batch to 2021, the girls will not even be able to get all the training they get before the final night of MUPR. Do I like Estefania? No, her nose is a big issue and her manager tried to sabotage Madison the whole time even in Atlanta. But she is the first runner up and honestly IMG puts backstories and comm skills above everything else and Estefania had honestly the best one in those areas.
itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:Seeing how countries are doing virtual pageants (Ew but you know, it is what it is) and seeing how Miss Universe Puerto Rico has "very important announcements" coming on the 21st (lots of rumors, but nothing definite) and the president wanting the country to go back to normal (even to the point of threating schools that don't open) I think the Miss USA will try to be between November-January.
Honestly I hope that my organization just appoints either Estefania (She is living in Holland and is either close to reaching the age cap or reached it so we don't know if she qualifies) or Fabiola (much better choice honestly). They should just move the 2020 batch to 2021, the girls will not even be able to get all the training they get before the final night of MUPR. Do I like Estefania? No, her nose is a big issue and her manager tried to sabotage Madison the whole time even in Atlanta. But she is the first runner up and honestly IMG puts backstories and comm skills above everything else and Estefania had honestly the best one in those areas.
I see several possible options at this point
1) They just move everything to next year. Announce there will be no Miss Universe 2020, allow all selected national delegates to compete in their respective national pageants next year (adjusting age limits accordingly) and invite the handful of already-crowned national queens to compete at Miss Universe 2021. This is the best option BUT I don't think they're going to do this. The fact they've posted the Miss USA delegates headshots seems to suggest they're moving forward.
2) A virtual pageant. I don't think anyone's fond of this idea but it could happen.
3) Hosting the pageant without an audience, testing all contestants and staff before arrivals, and keeping contestants to themselves for the entirety of pageant week(s). Just rehearsals, no sightseeing and plugging the host city. This has its downsides (boring as hell for the contestants, no audience cheering them on, and the organization probably won't get the lucrative hosting fees from whichever city hosts)
4) Hosting it in a relatively normal manner. Sure, there might be some changes (perhaps in an outdoor arena, requiring social distancing and masks amongst audience members, etc.) in some state/city that is open for business. I think most of us here would agree this would be a dangerous move, as well as bad PR for the organization, but my gut is telling me that this is what's going to happen.
I don't think that Miss USA is going to appoint Allie, I never expected them too and I think people just got excited since a few small, relatively unsuccessful countries did that.
I don't follow PR closely, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what their announcement is. Puerto Rico has a tremendous pageant culture, if they go virtual or appoint last year's 1RU, than pretty much anyone can.
Queen of the Clouds wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:Seeing how countries are doing virtual pageants (Ew but you know, it is what it is) and seeing how Miss Universe Puerto Rico has "very important announcements" coming on the 21st (lots of rumors, but nothing definite) and the president wanting the country to go back to normal (even to the point of threating schools that don't open) I think the Miss USA will try to be between November-January.
Honestly I hope that my organization just appoints either Estefania (She is living in Holland and is either close to reaching the age cap or reached it so we don't know if she qualifies) or Fabiola (much better choice honestly). They should just move the 2020 batch to 2021, the girls will not even be able to get all the training they get before the final night of MUPR. Do I like Estefania? No, her nose is a big issue and her manager tried to sabotage Madison the whole time even in Atlanta. But she is the first runner up and honestly IMG puts backstories and comm skills above everything else and Estefania had honestly the best one in those areas.
I see several possible options at this point
1) They just move everything to next year. Announce there will be no Miss Universe 2020, allow all selected national delegates to compete in their respective national pageants next year (adjusting age limits accordingly) and invite the handful of already-crowned national queens to compete at Miss Universe 2021. This is the best option BUT I don't think they're going to do this. The fact they've posted the Miss USA delegates headshots seems to suggest they're moving forward.
2) A virtual pageant. I don't think anyone's fond of this idea but it could happen.
3) Hosting the pageant without an audience, testing all contestants and staff before arrivals, and keeping contestants to themselves for the entirety of pageant week(s). Just rehearsals, no sightseeing and plugging the host city. This has its downsides (boring as hell for the contestants, no audience cheering them on, and the organization probably won't get the lucrative hosting fees from whichever city hosts)
4) Hosting it in a relatively normal manner. Sure, there might be some changes (perhaps in an outdoor arena, requiring social distancing and masks amongst audience members, etc.) in some state/city that is open for business. I think most of us here would agree this would be a dangerous move, as well as bad PR for the organization, but my gut is telling me that this is what's going to happen.
I don't think that Miss USA is going to appoint Allie, I never expected them too and I think people just got excited since a few small, relatively unsuccessful countries did that.
I don't follow PR closely, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what their announcement is. Puerto Rico has a tremendous pageant culture, if they go virtual or appoint last year's 1RU, than pretty much anyone can.
I'm trying to analyze which of your proposed options seems the most likely, but I just can't tell. I agree that them uploading the headshots and bios makes it seem like they're planning on moving forward. Maybe this was just wishful thinking on their part? I don't know, but it'd be odd for them to upload everything if they weren't planning on holding the competition soon.
I'm leaning towards thinking your second and third guesses are the most likely. I just don't think it is feasible at all to have an in-person competition with an audience, even if they social distance and wear masks. That would just be totally reckless and an unpopular decision. Remember how hard the MUO has tried to distance itself from Trump since he went into politics, I'd doubt they'd take such a clearly pro-Trump approach to the pandemic knowing that.
Seeing that virtual pageants can be held successfully, I don't think that's as unlikely as it would have been a couple months ago. Many competition TV series have continued their filming virtually, like American Idol and America's Got Talent, so while I think it'd be harder to do a pageant virtually since there could be some biases being formed based on which girls have the best makeup/hair skills (I assume they'd have to do it themselves, or at the least will be using different teams for it?), and who has the nicest backdrops/filming quality/etc. But still, it can be done and it is possible. I think it'd be disappointing, but above all, I'd be happy that we're even getting a pageant.
I think that the in-person no-audience competition would be the most satisfying outcome. We can still get a (mostly) traditional Miss USA experience, and we won't be worrying (as much) about everyone's safety. I think the concerns you brought up are definitely the biggest barriers though. At this point we're used to extremely minimal sightseeing in the host city, but host cities expect something at the very least. With this, the host city would essentially be getting no promo except for a "Live from x!" at the beginning of the show. I don't know if any city would spend money for that. Unless the MUO can figure out to hold it on a venue that they own, we'd be getting a competition with an even smaller budget than we're used to. Get ready to stay at the local Holiday Inn girls!
The.Apprentice wrote:Why bother looking at headshots when they will pick the girl whose resume will fit whatever MUO feels trendy? I mean, the past 4 winners have been average and mediocre.
However though, they might want to pick up a girl who can win Miss Universe next year so it can increase TV ratings and trigger ads.
The Duchess wrote:The.Apprentice wrote:Why bother looking at headshots when they will pick the girl whose resume will fit whatever MUO feels trendy? I mean, the past 4 winners have been average and mediocre.
However though, they might want to pick up a girl who can win Miss Universe next year so it can increase TV ratings and trigger ads.
Honestly I don't even care. It sounds awful but yeah, from now on I want my country to pick the best combination of beauty + brains + personality regardless of her backstory; I don't even expect to win anymore. I would crown Madison again and again, even if there were girls with better backstories. I love some girls from Miss USA but I already they probably won't win because they lack the backstory they need.
itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:The.Apprentice wrote:Why bother looking at headshots when they will pick the girl whose resume will fit whatever MUO feels trendy? I mean, the past 4 winners have been average and mediocre.
However though, they might want to pick up a girl who can win Miss Universe next year so it can increase TV ratings and trigger ads.
Honestly I don't even care. It sounds awful but yeah, from now on I want my country to pick the best combination of beauty + brains + personality regardless of her backstory; I don't even expect to win anymore. I would crown Madison again and again, even if there were girls with better backstories. I love some girls from Miss USA but I already they probably won't win because they lack the backstory they need.
It's completely disingenuous to say that there's no balance in this batch. Look at my top 5 favorites - Idaho (an Ivy-league educated veterinarian to be who spent her education learning about public health and pandemics with animal origins); Connecticut (has already established an incredibly impressive career working for a non-profit working to create better opportunities for developmentally disabled children & adults); Utah (the first openly LGBT representative at Miss USA who has shown incredible vulnerability and courage sharing her own stories on her struggles with mental health and work to help others living with the same); Illinois (a Northwestern-educated biochemist who seeks to create opportunities for women & girls in STEM fields); and New Jersey (has shown immense courage sharing her own story as a survivor of domestic violence and hopes to assist others who are living through similar situations and inspire real change in people's lives).
These women are all absolutely stunning too. They're the total package. So are many more of them, it's hard to keep that list to five or even fifteen and I could go on all day. Do I think that someone who is pretty but not a good speaker/doesn't have much personality/doesn't have an inspiring backstory or impressive career credentials is going to win this year? No, I don't think so. Miss USA is about more than just being beautiful. And let's not pretend that there haven't been some awesome Miss USAs lately. I really love Cheslie & Deshauna, and while Sarah & Kara aren't amongst my favorite Miss USAs, I still get why they won. I feel like I've absolutely said this before but it really grinds my gears every time. I have no reason to believe that the next Miss USA won't be awesome too.
itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:The.Apprentice wrote:Why bother looking at headshots when they will pick the girl whose resume will fit whatever MUO feels trendy? I mean, the past 4 winners have been average and mediocre.
However though, they might want to pick up a girl who can win Miss Universe next year so it can increase TV ratings and trigger ads.
Honestly I don't even care. It sounds awful but yeah, from now on I want my country to pick the best combination of beauty + brains + personality regardless of her backstory; I don't even expect to win anymore. I would crown Madison again and again, even if there were girls with better backstories. I love some girls from Miss USA but I already they probably won't win because they lack the backstory they need.
And let's not pretend that there haven't been some awesome Miss USAs lately. .
Queen of the Clouds wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:The.Apprentice wrote:Why bother looking at headshots when they will pick the girl whose resume will fit whatever MUO feels trendy? I mean, the past 4 winners have been average and mediocre.
However though, they might want to pick up a girl who can win Miss Universe next year so it can increase TV ratings and trigger ads.
Honestly I don't even care. It sounds awful but yeah, from now on I want my country to pick the best combination of beauty + brains + personality regardless of her backstory; I don't even expect to win anymore. I would crown Madison again and again, even if there were girls with better backstories. I love some girls from Miss USA but I already they probably won't win because they lack the backstory they need.
It's completely disingenuous to say that there's no balance in this batch. Look at my top 5 favorites - Idaho (an Ivy-league educated veterinarian to be who spent her education learning about public health and pandemics with animal origins); Connecticut (has already established an incredibly impressive career working for a non-profit working to create better opportunities for developmentally disabled children & adults); Utah (the first openly LGBT representative at Miss USA who has shown incredible vulnerability and courage sharing her own stories on her struggles with mental health and work to help others living with the same); Illinois (a Northwestern-educated biochemist who seeks to create opportunities for women & girls in STEM fields); and New Jersey (has shown immense courage sharing her own story as a survivor of domestic violence and hopes to assist others who are living through similar situations and inspire real change in people's lives).
These women are all absolutely stunning too. They're the total package. So are many more of them, it's hard to keep that list to five or even fifteen and I could go on all day. Do I think that someone who is pretty but not a good speaker/doesn't have much personality/doesn't have an inspiring backstory or impressive career credentials is going to win this year? No, I don't think so. Miss USA is about more than just being beautiful. And let's not pretend that there haven't been some awesome Miss USAs lately. I really love Cheslie & Deshauna, and while Sarah & Kara aren't amongst my favorite Miss USAs, I still get why they won. I feel like I've absolutely said this before but it really grinds my gears every time. I have no reason to believe that the next Miss USA won't be awesome too.
This.
itsrowdy801 wrote:Queen of the Clouds wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:The.Apprentice wrote:Why bother looking at headshots when they will pick the girl whose resume will fit whatever MUO feels trendy? I mean, the past 4 winners have been average and mediocre.
However though, they might want to pick up a girl who can win Miss Universe next year so it can increase TV ratings and trigger ads.
Honestly I don't even care. It sounds awful but yeah, from now on I want my country to pick the best combination of beauty + brains + personality regardless of her backstory; I don't even expect to win anymore. I would crown Madison again and again, even if there were girls with better backstories. I love some girls from Miss USA but I already they probably won't win because they lack the backstory they need.
It's completely disingenuous to say that there's no balance in this batch. Look at my top 5 favorites - Idaho (an Ivy-league educated veterinarian to be who spent her education learning about public health and pandemics with animal origins); Connecticut (has already established an incredibly impressive career working for a non-profit working to create better opportunities for developmentally disabled children & adults); Utah (the first openly LGBT representative at Miss USA who has shown incredible vulnerability and courage sharing her own stories on her struggles with mental health and work to help others living with the same); Illinois (a Northwestern-educated biochemist who seeks to create opportunities for women & girls in STEM fields); and New Jersey (has shown immense courage sharing her own story as a survivor of domestic violence and hopes to assist others who are living through similar situations and inspire real change in people's lives).
These women are all absolutely stunning too. They're the total package. So are many more of them, it's hard to keep that list to five or even fifteen and I could go on all day. Do I think that someone who is pretty but not a good speaker/doesn't have much personality/doesn't have an inspiring backstory or impressive career credentials is going to win this year? No, I don't think so. Miss USA is about more than just being beautiful. And let's not pretend that there haven't been some awesome Miss USAs lately. I really love Cheslie & Deshauna, and while Sarah & Kara aren't amongst my favorite Miss USAs, I still get why they won. I feel like I've absolutely said this before but it really grinds my gears every time. I have no reason to believe that the next Miss USA won't be awesome too.
This.
QotC have you rearranged your top 15 at all in the last few months? I always look forward to your takes here
Queen of the Clouds wrote:Just happened to go through Cheslie's Insta and I really don't understand the hate this girl gets. She's so beautiful and she's got a good head on her shoulders too. She was a great titleholder for us. I also love the new middle part style she's been going for lately.
pippo93 wrote:Queen of the Clouds wrote:Just happened to go through Cheslie's Insta and I really don't understand the hate this girl gets. She's so beautiful and she's got a good head on her shoulders too. She was a great titleholder for us. I also love the new middle part style she's been going for lately.CHESLIE IS THE BEST TITLEHOLDER SINCE OLIVIA JORDAN, AND IS ONE OF THE BEST MISS USA EVER! WHO HATES HER ARE PEOPLE STILL STUCK IN THE TRUMP ERA STANDARDS! YES, SHE IS NOT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FACIALLY, BUT WHEN SHE COMPETED IN MISS USA AND SHE WALKED IN THAT STUNNING WHITE EVENING GOWN WITH THAT AWESOME HAIR, SHE EATED ALIVE ALL HER COMPETITORS.
AND HER ANSWERS WERE BOTH PERFECT. AND THROUGH HER REIGN I LOVE ALL HER STYLE! I CAN EASILY SAY THAT SHE IS ONE OF THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND STYLISH MISS USA EVER
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