with monkeys wrote:Some Americans are laughing at the Pinoys for their "expatriate" misses, but Rachel is not even American and was Miss USA.
The life is hilarious!
Robichaux wrote:
Yup, which is all the more reason why this "White-washing", "Expatriate", "Import" issue thing is ridiculous!
with monkeys wrote:But it is humiliating for the Philippines to invite these girls from abroad to be their misses.
Robichaux wrote:
No, you tell me. Obviously, even without the spur of the halfies, the Philippines has been doing really well in the pageant scene.
"foreign girls"
How exactly would you define foreign? Last I checked, a candidate in the national pageant has to have a valid Philippine Passport to compete. Regardless of where they were born, they must have a valid Philippine Passport. In short, a certified Citizen of the country. A citizen who - you guessed it - pays taxes to the government like everybody else!
"because they're viewed as better"
Where did this assumption come from? If you would watch the national pageant, you'd see that the girls being crowned are actually the most deserving of the bunch. Now, are they halfies? Yes. But that doesn't mean that they were crowned because of that. Come on, give these girls some credit.
You say people have noticed a recent pattern? While that is perfectly acceptable, that pattern should not diminish the fact that for the past X amount of years, the country has been doing well in the pageant scene sending representatives born and raised there.
And nobody is trying to infiltrate this thread with their own agenda. Someone just basically pointed out the clear double standards in this forum which is very much skewed against the Philippines. Nothing wrong with that. Yes, we are celebrating the diversity of beauties in Brazil. They will always be a powerhouse of beauty. But we must also acknowledge that these Brazilian beauty queens are not native to that country. Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary. One can argue that even the US has been sending non-natives year-after-year. Again, there is nothing wrong with that. But please, don't be biased against a specific country just for the sake of being the devil's advocate.keyss wrote:Megan Young, Velerie Wiegman, etc. Its not just in Miss Universe obviously. I don't hate the Philippines in any shape or form. Where did you get that from?
Listen, people have noticed a recent pattern that's all. The local girls get pushed back for the foreign girls because they're viewed as better? More educated? More worldly? What? You tell me. This thread was about Brazil and your peeps have still managed to infiltrate it with their own agenda.
Rest assured Brazil will crown a girl from Brazil and all will be right with the world again.
Robichaux wrote:
Venus Raj - Filipino-Indian. Born in Qatar. Raised in the Philippines since infancy.
Shamcey Supsup - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Janine Tugonon - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Ariella Arida - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
MJ Lastimosa - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Pia Wurtzbach - Filipino-German. Born in Germany. Raised in the Philippines since early childhood.
Maxine Medina - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Rachel Peters - Filipino-British. Born in Bahrain. Grew up traveling with her family. Even settled for some time in Thailand and Australia (among others).
Catriona Gray - Filipino-Australian. Born and raised in Australia. Moved to the Philippines after High-School.
Or are they not good enough?
Seriously?! Out of all those 9 past Miss Universe representatives the country sent, how many were born and raised outside the Philippines?
There were far more "native" (for the lack of a better term) than halfies in that bunch.
Let's face it! It's just easier to hate the Philippines using whatever reason you can find than accept that the country has been and still is doing really well in the international pageant scene.
This is just Miss Universe. I'm sure you know how to google the other Filipino Queens and their origins.
I suppose you start with Kylie Verzosa, Mutya Datul, Bea Santiago, Melanie Marquez, etc. and just work your way from there.keyss wrote:That's because those countries actually crown girls who are born and raised there! Lifelong citizens who went to school there, pay taxes there and live there along with their families. See the difference? They don't import girls from half way across the world with foreign accents to represent them. See the difference? Of course you don't.
A melting pot is great. Nothing's wrong with being mixed. But how about crowning a local girl next time? Or are they not good enough?
HIMEROS wrote:HIMEROS wrote:Robichaux,both of your statements are true! Clearly there were a lot of people who were against us sending halfies when most countries have been sending people with completely foreign blood since decades ago. IT WAS DOWNRIGHT WRONG FOR THEM for us to send halfies, yet many countries have been doing it too, and some even with completely foreign blood. Now that we have explained our part and have found common ground with them, they'll still find "reason/excuses" for us to be called "wrong". This pattern their telling is pure bs. Megan was born in the US but was RAISED in the Philippines. Pia was born in Germany but was RAISED in the Philippines. etc,. Heck, even Wynonah Buot from Binibining Pilipinas 2018 was born in the Middle East and was RAISED in the Philippines with her having no direct foreign parent! Why is it a big deal to them when our national pageant org doesn't even find flaws in having Filipinas born outside of the country as candidates. In the Philippine Constitution, there's this thing called "jus sanguini and jus soli". If you were born in the Philippines, you have the right to be a citizen of the Philippines; jus soli. If you were born outside of the Philippines but have Filipino blood in you, you have the right to be a citizen of the Philippines. The ones who were born outside of the Philippines need to complete the requirements needed in order for her/him to have a Philippine passport that officiates her/his citizenship. So what the f**k is wrong with that?
Like what Cat said in an interview regarding her not "being Filipina", she didn't choose where to be born and raised, but once she was able to take care of herself, she moved to where she wanted to be, and she wanted to be in the Philippines.
Don't fucking tell us what's right and wrong. Y'all keep on insisting your theories to be damn factual when it's all just pure bs. I've been keeping my mouth shut regarding this issue because I always feel emotionally stressed and I have bad temperament, but I have had it with all this bs y'all are throwing at us. First having halfies represent us was wrong and all the pattern bs, now that we've debunked that theory by proving to y'all that other countries have been sending women with "complete foreign blood", y'all will say that we're now wrong for sending women born out of the country. WHAT THE ACTUAL f**k, can y'all give us a break? I call shade this is an attack towards us. AN ATTACK. I'm not usually this aggressive but bitch come at me, I ain't backing down.Robichaux wrote:
No, you tell me. Obviously, even without the spur of the halfies, the Philippines has been doing really well in the pageant scene.
"foreign girls"
How exactly would you define foreign? Last I checked, a candidate in the national pageant has to have a valid Philippine Passport to compete. Regardless of where they were born, they must have a valid Philippine Passport. In short, a certified Citizen of the country. A citizen who - you guessed it - pays taxes to the government like everybody else!
"because they're viewed as better"
Where did this assumption come from? If you would watch the national pageant, you'd see that the girls being crowned are actually the most deserving of the bunch. Now, are they halfies? Yes. But that doesn't mean that they were crowned because of that. Come on, give these girls some credit.
You say people have noticed a recent pattern? While that is perfectly acceptable, that pattern should not diminish the fact that for the past X amount of years, the country has been doing well in the pageant scene sending representatives born and raised there.
And nobody is trying to infiltrate this thread with their own agenda. Someone just basically pointed out the clear double standards in this forum which is very much skewed against the Philippines. Nothing wrong with that. Yes, we are celebrating the diversity of beauties in Brazil. They will always be a powerhouse of beauty. But we must also acknowledge that these Brazilian beauty queens are not native to that country. Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary. One can argue that even the US has been sending non-natives year-after-year. Again, there is nothing wrong with that. But please, don't be biased against a specific country just for the sake of being the devil's advocate.keyss wrote:Megan Young, Velerie Wiegman, etc. Its not just in Miss Universe obviously. I don't hate the Philippines in any shape or form. Where did you get that from?
Listen, people have noticed a recent pattern that's all. The local girls get pushed back for the foreign girls because they're viewed as better? More educated? More worldly? What? You tell me. This thread was about Brazil and your peeps have still managed to infiltrate it with their own agenda.
Rest assured Brazil will crown a girl from Brazil and all will be right with the world again.Robichaux wrote:
Venus Raj - Filipino-Indian. Born in Qatar. Raised in the Philippines since infancy.
Shamcey Supsup - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Janine Tugonon - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Ariella Arida - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
MJ Lastimosa - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Pia Wurtzbach - Filipino-German. Born in Germany. Raised in the Philippines since early childhood.
Maxine Medina - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Rachel Peters - Filipino-British. Born in Bahrain. Grew up traveling with her family. Even settled for some time in Thailand and Australia (among others).
Catriona Gray - Filipino-Australian. Born and raised in Australia. Moved to the Philippines after High-School.
Or are they not good enough?
Seriously?! Out of all those 9 past Miss Universe representatives the country sent, how many were born and raised outside the Philippines?
There were far more "native" (for the lack of a better term) than halfies in that bunch.
Let's face it! It's just easier to hate the Philippines using whatever reason you can find than accept that the country has been and still is doing really well in the international pageant scene.
This is just Miss Universe. I'm sure you know how to google the other Filipino Queens and their origins.
I suppose you start with Kylie Verzosa, Mutya Datul, Bea Santiago, Melanie Marquez, etc. and just work your way from there.keyss wrote:That's because those countries actually crown girls who are born and raised there! Lifelong citizens who went to school there, pay taxes there and live there along with their families. See the difference? They don't import girls from half way across the world with foreign accents to represent them. See the difference? Of course you don't.
A melting pot is great. Nothing's wrong with being mixed. But how about crowning a local girl next time? Or are they not good enough?
with monkeys wrote:Tayna Carvalho - Asian + Black + Indigenous + White Portuguese - Gave up to compete Contestant
This girl is mega mixed!
[color=#000099]keyss wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Venus Raj - Filipino-Indian. Born in Qatar. Raised in the Philippines since infancy.
Shamcey Supsup - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Janine Tugonon - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Ariella Arida - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
MJ Lastimosa - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Pia Wurtzbach - Filipino-German. Born in Germany. Raised in the Philippines since early childhood.
Maxine Medina - Filipino. Born and raised in the Philippines.
Rachel Peters - Filipino-British. Born in Bahrain. Grew up traveling with her family. Even settled for some time in Thailand and Australia (among others).
Catriona Gray - Filipino-Australian. Born and raised in Australia. Moved to the Philippines after High-School.
Or are they not good enough?
Seriously?! Out of all those 9 past Miss Universe representatives the country sent, how many were born and raised outside the Philippines?
There were far more "native" (for the lack of a better term) than halfies in that bunch.
Let's face it! It's just easier to hate the Philippines using whatever reason you can find than accept that the country has been and still is doing really well in the international pageant scene.
Megan Young, Velerie Wiegman, etc. Its not just in Miss Universe obviously. I don't hate the Philippines in any shape or form. Where did you get that from?
Listen, people have noticed a recent pattern that's all. The local girls get pushed back for the foreign girls because they're viewed as better? More educated? More worldly? What? You tell me. This thread was about Brazil and your peeps have still managed to infiltrate it with their own agenda.
Rest assured Brazil will crown a girl from Brazil and all will be right with the world again.
yuma wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary.yuma wrote:"Pure Brazilians" are currently less than 1% of our population
Actually, only 0,47% of our population are native Brazilians. Did you really understand this part?
I am from Italian + Portuguese + African heritage. Should I say that I'm Italian, Portuguese, African or Brazilian? My great-great-grandfather were Italian, my parents are Brazilians!
We, BRAZILIANS, say that we are Brazilians cause we were born and raised in BRAZIL!
otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary.yuma wrote:"Pure Brazilians" are currently less than 1% of our population
Actually, only 0,47% of our population are native Brazilians. Did you really understand this part?
I am from Italian + Portuguese + African heritage. Should I say that I'm Italian, Portuguese, African or Brazilian? My great-great-grandfather were Italian, my parents are Brazilians!
We, BRAZILIANS, say that we are Brazilians cause we were born and raised in BRAZIL!
Double standard. Also Blacks are the pure Brazilians and they are very common in Brazil just so happened that your media downplays the blacks of Brazil and favors the Whites.
otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary.yuma wrote:"Pure Brazilians" are currently less than 1% of our population
Actually, only 0,47% of our population are native Brazilians. Did you really understand this part?
I am from Italian + Portuguese + African heritage. Should I say that I'm Italian, Portuguese, African or Brazilian? My great-great-grandfather were Italian, my parents are Brazilians!
We, BRAZILIANS, say that we are Brazilians cause we were born and raised in BRAZIL!
Double standard. Also Blacks are the pure Brazilians and they are very common in Brazil just so happened that your media downplays the blacks of Brazil and favors the Whites.
yuma wrote:otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary.yuma wrote:"Pure Brazilians" are currently less than 1% of our population
Actually, only 0,47% of our population are native Brazilians. Did you really understand this part?
I am from Italian + Portuguese + African heritage. Should I say that I'm Italian, Portuguese, African or Brazilian? My great-great-grandfather were Italian, my parents are Brazilians!
We, BRAZILIANS, say that we are Brazilians cause we were born and raised in BRAZIL!
Double standard. Also Blacks are the pure Brazilians and they are very common in Brazil just so happened that your media downplays the blacks of Brazil and favors the Whites.
Get your facts right!
Indigenous are the "pure brazilians" (currently less than 1% of our population), not black.
"Pure" black are only 7% of our population and "pure" white are 47%. Mixed are 43%.
otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary.yuma wrote:"Pure Brazilians" are currently less than 1% of our population
Actually, only 0,47% of our population are native Brazilians. Did you really understand this part?
I am from Italian + Portuguese + African heritage. Should I say that I'm Italian, Portuguese, African or Brazilian? My great-great-grandfather were Italian, my parents are Brazilians!
We, BRAZILIANS, say that we are Brazilians cause we were born and raised in BRAZIL!
Double standard. Also Blacks are the pure Brazilians and they are very common in Brazil just so happened that your media downplays the blacks of Brazil and favors the Whites.
Get your facts right!
Indigenous are the "pure brazilians" (currently less than 1% of our population), not black.
"Pure" black are only 7% of our population and "pure" white are 47%. Mixed are 43%.
Yeah ! But why do I see blacks everywhere like in every corners of the streets of Brazil?
Pancanew wrote:At the end of the day, we are a mixed country and it is not that common to see someone who is 100% black or white. [/color][/size]
Pancanew wrote:otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary.yuma wrote:"Pure Brazilians" are currently less than 1% of our population
Actually, only 0,47% of our population are native Brazilians. Did you really understand this part?
I am from Italian + Portuguese + African heritage. Should I say that I'm Italian, Portuguese, African or Brazilian? My great-great-grandfather were Italian, my parents are Brazilians!
We, BRAZILIANS, say that we are Brazilians cause we were born and raised in BRAZIL!
Double standard. Also Blacks are the pure Brazilians and they are very common in Brazil just so happened that your media downplays the blacks of Brazil and favors the Whites.
Get your facts right!
Indigenous are the "pure brazilians" (currently less than 1% of our population), not black.
"Pure" black are only 7% of our population and "pure" white are 47%. Mixed are 43%.
Yeah ! But why do I see blacks everywhere like in every corners of the streets of Brazil?
Because many of them probably identify themselves as mixed. Although these people are considered black by others, some of them are from a mix of different heritages and, due to this fact (and to other facts, of course), the percentage of mixed people in Brazil is so huge. It would probably be even huger if some of those who consider themselves as white change their identification to mixed after having a knowledge of their heritage.
At the end of the day, we are a mixed country and it is not that common to see someone who is 100% black or white.
Smile wrote:Keep an eye on these ladies. Many of them will undoubtedly show up at Miss Earth Philippines in the next few years.
Or are they too dark for Philippines these days?
otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:otangzi wrote:yuma wrote:Robichaux wrote:
Yes, they were born and raised there but their ethnicities vary.yuma wrote:"Pure Brazilians" are currently less than 1% of our population
Actually, only 0,47% of our population are native Brazilians. Did you really understand this part?
I am from Italian + Portuguese + African heritage. Should I say that I'm Italian, Portuguese, African or Brazilian? My great-great-grandfather were Italian, my parents are Brazilians!
We, BRAZILIANS, say that we are Brazilians cause we were born and raised in BRAZIL!
Double standard. Also Blacks are the pure Brazilians and they are very common in Brazil just so happened that your media downplays the blacks of Brazil and favors the Whites.
Get your facts right!
Indigenous are the "pure brazilians" (currently less than 1% of our population), not black.
"Pure" black are only 7% of our population and "pure" white are 47%. Mixed are 43%.
Yeah ! But why do I see blacks everywhere like in every corners of the streets of Brazil?
Smile wrote:Is Catriona Gray a citizen of the Philippines or Australia?
It's funny, whenever I ask this question about a Philippines rep, I get the typical answer: she's a dual citizen!
I want to see proof.
Catriona should be competing in Miss Australia, not Bp Bilibons Filipines.
otangzi wrote:Smile wrote:Is Catriona Gray a citizen of the Philippines or Australia?
It's funny, whenever I ask this question about a Philippines rep, I get the typical answer: she's a dual citizen!
I want to see proof.
Catriona should be competing in Miss Australia, not Bp Bilibons Filipines.
You sound so ignorant. She is a Filipino citizen. Girls that aren't filipinos aren't allowed to join Binibini that is the reason why Venus Raj was supposed to be dethroned thankfully although her father is an Indian obviously she is a Filipino.
Smile wrote:otangzi wrote:Smile wrote:Is Catriona Gray a citizen of the Philippines or Australia?
It's funny, whenever I ask this question about a Philippines rep, I get the typical answer: she's a dual citizen!
I want to see proof.
Catriona should be competing in Miss Australia, not Bp Bilibons Filipines.
You sound so ignorant. She is a Filipino citizen. Girls that aren't filipinos aren't allowed to join Binibini that is the reason why Venus Raj was supposed to be dethroned thankfully although her father is an Indian obviously she is a Filipino.
So she's a citizen of Philippines? When did she become a citizen?
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