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Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Part 1)

Postby Juan Sebastian » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:39 pm

    

Hi everyone, since IMG took over Miss Universe from Trump the criteria has changed a lot. I may be a minority but I like IMGs new criteria for Miss Universe more than Trumps as their 3 Miss Universes for me were by far the best that night and the complete packages as they choose by a more holistic approach than Trump did. They also have allowed more new countries to shine which I enjoy seeing as sash is not as big of a factor! I wonder how would the results have ended up if Miss Universe was still owned by Trump the past three years?

Here are my insights and lets take a look

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Actual Results:

Winner - Pia Wurtbach (Philippines)
1st Runner Up - Ariadna Gutierrez (Colombia)
2nd Runner Up - Olivia Jordan (USA)
Top 5 - Monika Radulovic (Australia), Flora Coquerel (France)
Top 10 - Kanisha Sluis (Curacao), Clarissa Molina (Dominican Republic), Ariana Miyamoto (Japan), Aniporn Chalermburanawong (Thailand), Mariana Jimenez (Venezuela)
Top 15 - Annelies Töros (Belgium), Marthina Brandt (Brazil), Anindya Kusuma Putri (Indonesia), Wendy Esparza (Mexico), Refilwe Mthimunye (South Africa)

What would it be like in the Trump era?

What I think would've happened
Winner - Monika Radulovic (Australia)
1st Runner Up - Ariadna Gutierrez (Colombia)
2nd Runner Up - Olivia Jordan (USA)
3rd Runner Up - Clarissa Molina (Dominican Republic)
4th Runner Up - Pia Wurtzbach (Philippines)

In my eyes, Philippines was the clear winner after the Top 10 was announced and looked great but I don't know if she would have won under Trump and would've been Shamcey 2.0. as he loved Latinas and Europeans to death. I think he would've loved Colombia and lobbied for her BUT I don't think he'd allow another back to back. I think more Europeans would have been in the Top 15 like Megi Luka (Albania), Vladislava Evtushenko (Russia), Mirjeta Shala (Kosovo) and Weronika Szmajdzinska (Poland) instead of girls like Curacao, Japan, Mexico (because of his statements at the time against Mexicans), South Africa and maybe even Thailand and Indonesia. I also think we would have seen girls like Peru make it as well. In the end, I think given the circumstances of what he said, a neutral country like Australia (Monika Radulovic) who was away from all his political drama would have won.

2016

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Actual Results:

Winner - Iris Mittenaere (France)
1st Runner Up - Raquel Pelissier (Haiti)
2nd Runner Up - Andrea Tovar (Colombia)
Top 6 - Mary Esther Were (Kenya), Maxine Medina (Philippines), Chalita Suansane (Thailand)
Top 9 - Siera Bearchell (Canada), Kristal Silva (Mexico), Deshauna Barber (USA)
Top 13 - Raissa Santana (Brazil), Kezia Warouw (Indonesia), Keity Drennan (Panama), Valeria Piazza (Peru)

What I think would've happened:

Winner - Maxine Medina (Philippines)
1st Runner Up - Mariam Habach (Venezuela)
2nd Runner Up - Keity Drennan (Panama)
3rd Runner Up - Kristal Silva (Mexico)
4th Runner Up - Andrea Tovar (Colombia)

This year, I believe the results would have been completely different. I think Iris would have stopped at Top 10 under Trump, Haiti wouldn't have placed and Andrea would've made Top 5 but not win. Kenya would not have placed and I don't think Thailand would've either. I think under the Trump era, Maxine would've probably been Philippines 3rd Miss Universe instead of Pia as she was just out of this world gorgeous and communication didn't matter as much. Canada would not have placed and USA would not have sent Deshauna. I do think Mexico and Panama would've placed higher under Trump and Brazil wouldn't place. I think he would've made it a Top 15 format like usual and included more Europeans like Albania, Kosovo and Ukraine and also would've definitely included girls like Australia, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Venezuela.

2017

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Actual Results:

Winner - Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters (South Africa)
1st Runner Up - Laura Gonzalez (Colombia)
2nd Runner Up - Davina Bennett (Jamaica)
Top 5 - Keysi Sayago (Venezuela), Maria Poonlertlarp (Thailand)
Top 10 - Monalysa Alcantara (Brazil), Lauren Howe (Canada), Rachel Peters (Philippines), Sofia Del Prado (Spain), Kara McCullough (USA)
Top 16 - Roxette Qiu (China), Shanaelle Petty (Croatia), Ruth Quashie (Ghana), Anna Burdzy (Great Britain), Cailin Aine Ni Toibin (Ireland), Christina Peiris (Sri Lanka)

What I think would've happened:

Winner - Laura Gonzalez (Colombia)
1st Runner Up - Keysi Sayago (Venezuela)
2nd Runner Up - Rachel Peters (Philippines)
3rd Runner Up - Kseniya Alexandrova (Russia)
4th Runner Up - Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters (South Africa)

This is another year that I think the results would have been very different. Demi-Leigh was unbeatable that night for me so she MAY have still won but I think Trump would've preferred to crown a Latina this year. The whole continental thing would've never been in place and all of Europe who made it except maybe Spain would've clapped. I don't think: Jamaica Thailand, Brazil, Canada, Ghana, China, Ghana and Sri Lanka would've placed so the Top 16 would've been veeeeerrrrry different as I already think 11 of them would've clapped. Again I don't think Kara would've won Miss USA under Trump either. Europe was overall very weak this year and I think only Russia would've advanced and he would've loved her and maybe she would've been the next Vera Krasova. I think Venezuela and Philippines would again have ended up higher than they did and girls like Peru, Mexico, France and maybe even Puerto Rico.

Which set of winners do you like better? Personally, I'm glad with how things turned out. Trump was losing his touch in my opinion and MUO needed a revamp and I LOVE all three winners they chose for Miss Universe. I haven't been too crazy about their Miss USA's but their main titleholders (Miss Universes) have been excellent and all the strongest the night they won. I think none of the girls who I think would've won under Trump (except maybe Maxine only because she's Filipino and would've had so many fans) would've been as memorable as the girls who did win.
So how do you guys think the results would have been different in the past years if Trump was still the owner?

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Postby NEXT! » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:03 pm

Would have, should have, could have...blah blah blah
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Postby rockondude » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:43 am

Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.
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Postby Prissila » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:24 am

Nothing really changed much!!they still picked the most shining girl on stage!!!the past 3 years if Trump still own Miss Universe the winners past 3 years still the same!!Trump still the best!!best show best stage!best production!!
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Postby Prissila » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:31 am

The hard working the most prepared and beautiful should make it not a lazy ass plain girls!!
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Postby TheK » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:46 am

rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


With her height Nope. Also add the fact that Trump org never really penetrated the market of South Africa. while demi looks the part of a trump girl.
she is at best a thank you girl much like her ND during 2012 Melinda Bam. :)>-
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Postby otangzi » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:53 am

rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


Rachel Peters is Trump's definition of his Miss Universe for sure.
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Postby Juan Sebastian » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:03 am

rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


I'm not sure about that, yes she is absolutely gorgeous but Trump had no interest in South Africa, remember a lot of countries he was interested in making business deals with ended up winning! Of the winners who won under IMG, I think the one who would've most likely won under Trump is actually Pia because he was very interested in Philippines but not as much as France or South Africa.
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Postby Juan Sebastian » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:04 am

Prissila wrote:Nothing really changed much!!they still picked the most shining girl on stage!!!the past 3 years if Trump still own Miss Universe the winners past 3 years still the same!!Trump still the best!!best show best stage!best production!!


Eh, it's possible but Trump did not care about France or South Africa at all in terms of business, Miss USA winners were way different but the girls that won under IMG were all the complete package so
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby Juan Sebastian » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:08 am

TheK wrote:
rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


With her height Nope. Also add the fact that Trump org never really penetrated the market of South Africa. while demi looks the part of a trump girl.
she is at best a thank you girl much like her ND during 2012 Melinda Bam. :)>-


I agree because Trump didn't care about South Africa BUT remember he crowned and LOVED Olivia Culpo who I'm sure he handpicked to be Miss Universe that year. I think she probably would've made Top 5 under Trump and the reason I think Melinda didn't make Top 5 was her hit or miss gown and Demi's gown performance was her strongest asset that night so.


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rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


Rachel Peters is Trump's definition of his Miss Universe for sure.


I actually agree I think he would've loved her!
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Postby TheK » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:22 am

Juan Sebastian wrote:
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rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.

I agree because Trump didn't care about South Africa BUT remember he crowned and LOVED Olivia Culpo who I'm sure he handpicked to be Miss Universe that year. I think she probably would've made Top 5 under Trump and the reason I think Melinda didn't make Top 5 was her hit or miss gown and Demi's gown performance was her strongest asset that night so.


agree with you she is top 5 material under the trump era but as a winner? i dont see it knowing who was with her that year.
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Postby georgj16 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:13 am

Well, I think it's all relative. Take for example Leila, who would have thought she was going to win (and now we have this scenario, under Trump's mamagement)? In 2011, considering Trump's taste, I think Kosovo or Venezuela would have fit his criteria more.
Riyo Mori beat Trump's beauties Brazil and Venezuela as well in 2007.
In 2012, Melinda Bam or Irene Esser were perfect for Trump. Irene blew her answer and Melinda schockingly stopped at top 10.
The result in 2013 weren't very Trump either. Gabriela may be the most poised and elegant, but was she sexy, bubbly and fierce like Trump liked them?

I think Thailand, Philippines or South Africa would have won under Trump's management in 2017,Thailand is elegant and statuesque with so much poise like Molly and something about South Africa screams Trump.
In 2016, any of the top 5 you mention could have won for Trump. Maxine's gorgeousness, Mariam's diva attitude, Keity's fierceness, Kristal's sexyness and Andrea's impact and bubbliness.
In 2015, he would have loved Ariadna and the buzz after a second back-to-back so I think Colombia could have easily won.
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Postby greenleaf » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:15 am

TheK wrote:
rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


With her height Nope. Also add the fact that Trump org never really penetrated the market of South Africa. while demi looks the part of a trump girl.
she is at best a thank you girl much like her ND during 2012 Melinda Bam. :)>-


BUT TRUMP DID NOT ALSO PENETRATED THE MARKET OF ANGOLA AND YET ANGOLA WON. TRUMP CAN INFLUENCE THE FINALIST BUT NOT THE FINAL NIGHT IN MY OPINION AND BASED ON PAST RESULTS.
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Postby Bulbulito Bayagbag Ahhh » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:01 am

greenleaf wrote:
TheK wrote:
rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


With her height Nope. Also add the fact that Trump org never really penetrated the market of South Africa. while demi looks the part of a trump girl.
she is at best a thank you girl much like her ND during 2012 Melinda Bam. :)>-


BUT TRUMP DID NOT ALSO PENETRATED THE MARKET OF ANGOLA AND YET ANGOLA WON. TRUMP CAN INFLUENCE THE FINALIST BUT NOT THE FINAL NIGHT IN MY OPINION AND BASED ON PAST RESULTS.


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Postby DORABIAN » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:01 pm

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Postby quelab22 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:13 pm

and for sure the production will be more fab and we'll see more of Trump...
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Postby novemberRain » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:27 pm

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Postby AUSTIN III » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:15 pm

Nothing would have changed I believe. Yes there are different critera in the selection of top15/top 13 from both parties. But once the final night comes, it comes down to the the judges only, it's neither Trump nor IMG choice. We've seen so many possible Trump picks never went through the swimsuit rounds in his era. His mega favorite Rozanna even stopped at EG.
And that sobbing stories and body issues were already there even before IMG took over, remember the rapist daughter Miss Pennsylvania, chubby Miss Indiana? The direction both owners going are in accordance to the this society civil and liberal concept no doubt, the changes are more evident in IMG though.

Remember in the early era of Trump, there are so many surprises such Mpule, Chelsi Smith, Shawnae Jebbia, Kimberly Presser, it even went viral and controversial among pageant fanatics back then. IMG, though some questionable semifinalists, are able to produce well rounded winners.
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Postby The Alchemist » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:41 pm

You are such an Idiot


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Postby The Alchemist » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:47 pm

Juan Sebastian

Your thread is both striking and unique! It makes people think and ponder.

It’s well-written and well-substatiated with details. Kudos to you!

I agree things woul have turned out differently on who makes is to the first-cut under Trump
so the final result would be different as well. But I do think that Trumps influence STOPS in the first cut.
Miss Universe is transparent with an accounting firm ALWAYS at hand.
Miss World is NOT, Julia picks(NO Accounting firm ever) Trump just sit down in the finals.
Miss World fans never comment about the absence of Accounting firms.

IMG is the same, their influence stops after the first cut!
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby panchopolo » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:14 pm

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rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


With her height Nope.


Er, Olivia Culpo.
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby vincintjance » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:08 pm

IMG WILL SOON ADOPT TRUMP'S FORMULA! JUST WAIT AND SEE!
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby Smile » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:25 pm

2015 was a miss. IMG era really started in 2016. In 2015, it was a rush job. Their true philosophy didn't start until 2016 when they had a full year to plan.

Their first two winners - Iris and Demi - are huge hits in my opinion. Great job.

Pia was just IMG getting the Philippines win out of the way. Now they can strictly focus on crowning the best woman.
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby ManMeat » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:47 pm

Versus?
More like Trump vs. NBC
They hate each other. >:)

But pageant wise, yes it changed a lot.
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby valleriam » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:27 am

This is fun! :-* The three of them would have won because it's their fate. However, the finalists line-up would not be the same.
Here's how I think it would have been.

2015:
Winner: Philippines
1st runner up: USA
2nd runner up: Colombia
3rd runner up: Australia
4th runner up: Dominican Republic

Brazil would have advanced further, Paraguay, Russia & India would make the first cut, Thailand & France wouldn't have made it as far and Japan, South Africa, and maybe Indonesia would not even be close to that Top 15. :O)

2016:
Winner: France
1st runner up: Colombia
2nd runner up: Ukraine
3rd runner up: Philippines
4th runner up: Venezuela

Haiti would have never advanced as far as she did. Also, I think Venezuela would be in the finals just for the cheers & WOW factor. Kenya, Peru and the indecent Miss Canada would have never been in the semi finals.

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Winner: South Africa (very Olivia Culpo type of beauty!)
1st runner up: USA
2nd runner up: Peru
3rd runner up: Philippines
4th runner up: Venezuela

Russia, Peru, Indonesia and Mexico would be in the semi finals. Thailand wouldn't advance to Top 10, Sri Lanka is stunningly beautiful and has the best face in Asia, but she has weak ramp skills, weak presence and her body needed work, plus her sash is weak and could've never been noticed under Trump's management. The obnoxious looking Miss China, the very PLAIN Miss Iceland, offensive looking Miss Croatia, would never be in the Top 15!!!! Ghana would be out as well, but she's pretty as well as Great Britain. Peru would have been the Constanza Baez of 2017, USA & Philippines have the strongest sash, Venezuela was untouchable and South Africa was the most bubbly, marketable and girl next door type of beauty.
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby otangzi » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:08 pm

Bulbulito Bayagbag Ahhh wrote:
greenleaf wrote:
TheK wrote:
rockondude wrote: Demi-Leigh Nel-Peters would have won in Trump era in fact out of the three she is the most Trump like winner.


With her height Nope. Also add the fact that Trump org never really penetrated the market of South Africa. while demi looks the part of a trump girl.
she is at best a thank you girl much like her ND during 2012 Melinda Bam. :)>-


BUT TRUMP DID NOT ALSO PENETRATED THE MARKET OF ANGOLA AND YET ANGOLA WON. TRUMP CAN INFLUENCE THE FINALIST BUT NOT THE FINAL NIGHT IN MY OPINION AND BASED ON PAST RESULTS.


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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby sleuth08 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:09 pm

I PREFER THE PAGEANT PRE-TRUMP

THE MISS UNIVERSE TRUMP ERA, TRUMP WANTS TO EMULATE THE VICTORIA SECRET FASHION SHOW FOR MISS UNIVERSE (HENCE THE LONG CATWALKS, ELIMINATING THE INTERVIEW PORTION) AND I DO NOT BLAME HIM SINCE CBS - THE LONG TV BROADCASTER OF MISS UNIVERSE, DUMPED THE PAGEANT IN 2003 IN FAVOR OF THE VICTORIA SECRET FASHION SHOW.

ALSO, THE MAIN REASON FOR CHOOSING THE WINNER IS FOR THE WINNER TO BE THE BRAND AMBASSADOR FOR TRUMP. IF IMG TOOK OVER INSTEAD OF TRUMP I THINK WINNERS LIKE AMELIA VEGA, ZULEYKA RIVERA, XIMENA NAVARETTE TO NAME A FEW WON'T WIN
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby Markkk » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:16 am

Agree with 2015. I just think that Trump will most likely choose Monika to win. The girl has everything and with that beauty, she can bring a lot of endorsements. Philippines will have another heart break again because Pia might settle for 1st Runner up only and Colombia as 2nd Runner up. Brazil will most likely make it to the top 5 and not France.

For 2016 I think if it was still under Trump, Maxine will still be out in the Top 3. France will most likely to win it still followed by Mexico as 1st Runner up and Venezuela as 2nd Runner up. Yeah Kenya might not be given a chance to shine or even Thailand and Haiti breaking the Top 6.

For 2017, I think Peters can win the title fighting with Colombia as 1st Runner up and Venezuela as 2nd Runner Up. South Africa might be another Melinda Bam.
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby missofan705 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:17 am

Too late for me to read this, but this is interesting.
I think if Trump still owns MUO today, many of the girls who actually competed in 2015, 2016 and 2017 wouldn't been their country's representatives to those years.
Some examples:
USA might not be represented by Deshauna and Kara in 2016 and 2017 if Trump owned MUO. Same goes to Miss USA pageant. Girls like Alabama, Missouri and Connecticut 2016, New Jersey and Minnesota 2017 couldn't placed higher than their actual placements if Trump was in charge of Miss USA.
VENEZUELA might not send Keysi in 2017 because personally I think she might not pass Trump's prototype.
PHILIPPINES might not have chosen Maxine and Rachel as their Miss Universe representatives in 2016 and 2017. The two girls are very IMG and not Trump prototype.
FRANCE could've chosen a different girl than Iris in 2016.

and the list goes on.
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Re: Trump vs. IMG, would things have ended differently? (Par

Postby Thomas876 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:49 am

missofan705 wrote:Too late for me to read this, but this is interesting.
I think if Trump still owns MUO today, many of the girls who actually competed in 2015, 2016 and 2017 wouldn't been their country's representatives to those years.
Some examples:
USA might not be represented by Deshauna and Kara in 2016 and 2017 if Trump owned MUO. Same goes to Miss USA pageant. Girls like Alabama, Missouri and Connecticut 2016, New Jersey and Minnesota 2017 couldn't placed higher than their actual placements if Trump was in charge of Miss USA.
VENEZUELA might not send Keysi in 2017 because personally I think she might not pass Trump's prototype.
PHILIPPINES might not have chosen Maxine and Rachel as their Miss Universe representatives in 2016 and 2017. The two girls are very IMG and not Trump prototype.
FRANCE could've chosen a different girl than Iris in 2016.

and the list goes on.


France would have not crowned another girl because it is the French viewers who decide who is going to be Miss France and and most French people vote for the one they want to see Miss France, and not for the one they want to see Miss Universe France or Miss World France. :)>-
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