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Re: Well, the biggest BITCH has been crowned Miss USA

Postby koji » Wed May 17, 2017 3:43 pm

    

Guuy_15 wrote:It is interesting to note that feminists want equality (or as Miss USA said, "equalism" [what is that?!]) and they usually point to the disparity in equal pay for equal work.

I think women get .70 cents for every $1 men get.

It is also interesting to note that Miss USA works (or worked) for the federal government, so her pay is on a pay scale pre-determined by the government. So she is technically making the exact same amount of money as her male colleague, but only because job dictates it. She can only make more or less depending on seniority.

However, if she were to work for a private organization, and given her presumably "vast" experience, I would have to wonder if she would, in fact, make less money than her male counterparts. Because, that's just the name of the game. It is how it is.

Universal healthcare is a great idea in theory. But I don't think it can pragmatically work in the US like it does in places such as Scandinavia, UK, or other European countries.

You're talking about extremely high taxes, defense spending, the ins and outs of a functioning society, and the overall culture of many of these countries. Scandinavians have a more "we help each other out, and I don't mind doing so" but in US it is more "lift yourself up from your bootstraps when you're down".

I absolutely think NOBODY should have to worry about how to pay for medical expenses when they are facing life threatening diseases, such as cancer. The bills for treatment alone can run into the high six digits, and I am talking from personal experience.

However, it cannot simply be "just give everyone health insurance for free" because in a country of 380 million people I don't think that is economically feasible. Healthcare should be affordable for everyone, even those working at McDonalds. And I think when DC answered her question, she was probably looking at it through a scientific lens, looking at the "numbers" rather than the "emotion",which is a very scientific thing to do. I don't think that makes her right or wrong, but I think her answer makes her seem genuine in her feelings.



LOL. It can be done and it is economically feasible. Take note that the 'remaining barriers to integrate care are not technical; they are political.' [-X

Stop telling us that you are a HS graduate who never learned. [-X


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Re: Well, the biggest BITCH has been crowned Miss USA

Postby koji » Wed May 17, 2017 3:46 pm

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Guuy_15 wrote:It is interesting to note that feminists want equality (or as Miss USA said, "equalism" [what is that?!]) and they usually point to the disparity in equal pay for equal work.

I think women get .70 cents for every $1 men get.

It is also interesting to note that Miss USA works (or worked) for the federal government, so her pay is on a pay scale pre-determined by the government. So she is technically making the exact same amount of money as her male colleague, but only because job dictates it. She can only make more or less depending on seniority.

However, if she were to work for a private organization, and given her presumably "vast" experience, I would have to wonder if she would, in fact, make less money than her male counterparts. Because, that's just the name of the game. It is how it is.

Universal healthcare is a great idea in theory. But I don't think it can pragmatically work in the US like it does in places such as Scandinavia, UK, or other European countries.

You're talking about extremely high taxes, defense spending, the ins and outs of a functioning society, and the overall culture of many of these countries. Scandinavians have a more "we help each other out, and I don't mind doing so" but in US it is more "lift yourself up from your bootstraps when you're down".

I absolutely think NOBODY should have to worry about how to pay for medical expenses when they are facing life threatening diseases, such as cancer. The bills for treatment alone can run into the high six digits, and I am talking from personal experience.

However, it cannot simply be "just give everyone health insurance for free" because in a country of 380 million people I don't think that is economically feasible. Healthcare should be affordable for everyone, even those working at McDonalds. And I think when DC answered her question, she was probably looking at it through a scientific lens, looking at the "numbers" rather than the "emotion",which is a very scientific thing to do. I don't think that makes her right or wrong, but I think her answer makes her seem genuine in her feelings.





I don't think it would work in the US BUTTTTT I do think we have to do a better job at making an affordable health care. I, as of today, can pay for my medical insurance but I want an affordable health care for those of us who cant because I cannot fathom having to make choices between health and some other necessity


With this aim and preconditions satisfied, it is possible and economically feasible.
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Re: Well, the biggest BITCH has been crowned Miss USA

Postby Beta » Wed May 17, 2017 10:24 pm

koji wrote:
Guuy_15 wrote:It is interesting to note that feminists want equality (or as Miss USA said, "equalism" [what is that?!]) and they usually point to the disparity in equal pay for equal work.

I think women get .70 cents for every $1 men get.

It is also interesting to note that Miss USA works (or worked) for the federal government, so her pay is on a pay scale pre-determined by the government. So she is technically making the exact same amount of money as her male colleague, but only because job dictates it. She can only make more or less depending on seniority.

However, if she were to work for a private organization, and given her presumably "vast" experience, I would have to wonder if she would, in fact, make less money than her male counterparts. Because, that's just the name of the game. It is how it is.

Universal healthcare is a great idea in theory. But I don't think it can pragmatically work in the US like it does in places such as Scandinavia, UK, or other European countries.

You're talking about extremely high taxes, defense spending, the ins and outs of a functioning society, and the overall culture of many of these countries. Scandinavians have a more "we help each other out, and I don't mind doing so" but in US it is more "lift yourself up from your bootstraps when you're down".

I absolutely think NOBODY should have to worry about how to pay for medical expenses when they are facing life threatening diseases, such as cancer. The bills for treatment alone can run into the high six digits, and I am talking from personal experience.

However, it cannot simply be "just give everyone health insurance for free" because in a country of 380 million people I don't think that is economically feasible. Healthcare should be affordable for everyone, even those working at McDonalds. And I think when DC answered her question, she was probably looking at it through a scientific lens, looking at the "numbers" rather than the "emotion",which is a very scientific thing to do. I don't think that makes her right or wrong, but I think her answer makes her seem genuine in her feelings.



LOL. It can be done and it is economically feasible. Take note that the 'remaining barriers to integrate care are not technical; they are political.' [-X

Stop telling us that you are a HS graduate who never learned. [-X


I'll go for affordable healthcare, but how about explaining how FREE Healthcare can be economically feasible????
It's only economically feasible to those whose government already pay for everything. furthermore, this "free" stuff comes at a price in some form or another.

For the rest of us who still value the ability to maximize our earnings based on how hard we work, paying for those who slack is NOT AN OPTION.
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...except for opinions, and at the rate things are going, it seems that this may come at a cost as well.
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Re: Well, the biggest BITCH has been crowned Miss USA

Postby Beta » Wed May 17, 2017 10:41 pm

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..is it only me or did I see a pattern of flaunting about working as a civil servant in the USA???...both Miss D.C. are either a soldier or an employee in a government agency--- is there something so "special about it" in the USA right now ???...needless to say I definitely do not see having a healthcare is a privilege [-X [-X ...it should be mandatory to all citizens...the whole population should be showing solidarity to everyone, especially to those who cannot afford it..., well, I do not know Kara that well to call her a bitch..but she comes with a hint of it for sure /:) /:) ...


I just think it's IMG's obsession with crowning strong women. The problem is they've decided that a strong woman in the US is one who joins the military or works as a scientist for the government, both of which are typically dominated by men. This sends a bad message to other strong women who are teachers or nurses or simply stay-at-home moms.

A strong woman is nuanced, not a stereotype. She has depth. This is not something I saw in Kara on Sunday night.

IMG unfortunately sent a bad message by crowning her Miss USA.


actually i think it has traditionally been the other way around in the pageant industry. there has been minimal representation of women who have chosen their career in a male-dominated field. I think what they're doing is refreshing - they definitely are debunking the stereotype that beauty pageants are just about beauty. They're sending the message that yes, you can celebrate your beauty with gel acrylics and new heels one day, and wear a hard hat and steel toed boots the next day.
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Re: Well, the biggest BITCH has been crowned Miss USA

Postby Smile » Thu May 18, 2017 1:03 am

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..is it only me or did I see a pattern of flaunting about working as a civil servant in the USA???...both Miss D.C. are either a soldier or an employee in a government agency--- is there something so "special about it" in the USA right now ???...needless to say I definitely do not see having a healthcare is a privilege [-X [-X ...it should be mandatory to all citizens...the whole population should be showing solidarity to everyone, especially to those who cannot afford it..., well, I do not know Kara that well to call her a bitch..but she comes with a hint of it for sure /:) /:) ...


I just think it's IMG's obsession with crowning strong women. The problem is they've decided that a strong woman in the US is one who joins the military or works as a scientist for the government, both of which are typically dominated by men. This sends a bad message to other strong women who are teachers or nurses or simply stay-at-home moms.

A strong woman is nuanced, not a stereotype. She has depth. This is not something I saw in Kara on Sunday night.

IMG unfortunately sent a bad message by crowning her Miss USA.


actually i think it has traditionally been the other way around in the pageant industry. there has been minimal representation of women who have chosen their career in a male-dominated field. I think what they're doing is refreshing - they definitely are debunking the stereotype that beauty pageants are just about beauty. They're sending the message that yes, you can celebrate your beauty with gel acrylics and new heels one day, and wear a hard hat and steel toed boots the next day.


Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I welcome it. I'm simply saying that it can't be a disqualifier for women who aren't in male-dominated fields, nor should it be part of a criteria that solely defines a Miss USA. It's wonderful to see this development but I think IMG are taking it too far at the expense of other more qualified women. This is after all still a beauty pageant. We need to keep that in mind.
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Re: Well, the biggest BITCH has been crowned Miss USA

Postby Beta » Thu May 18, 2017 1:47 am

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Smile wrote:
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..is it only me or did I see a pattern of flaunting about working as a civil servant in the USA???...both Miss D.C. are either a soldier or an employee in a government agency--- is there something so "special about it" in the USA right now ???...needless to say I definitely do not see having a healthcare is a privilege [-X [-X ...it should be mandatory to all citizens...the whole population should be showing solidarity to everyone, especially to those who cannot afford it..., well, I do not know Kara that well to call her a bitch..but she comes with a hint of it for sure /:) /:) ...


I just think it's IMG's obsession with crowning strong women. The problem is they've decided that a strong woman in the US is one who joins the military or works as a scientist for the government, both of which are typically dominated by men. This sends a bad message to other strong women who are teachers or nurses or simply stay-at-home moms.

A strong woman is nuanced, not a stereotype. She has depth. This is not something I saw in Kara on Sunday night.

IMG unfortunately sent a bad message by crowning her Miss USA.


actually i think it has traditionally been the other way around in the pageant industry. there has been minimal representation of women who have chosen their career in a male-dominated field. I think what they're doing is refreshing - they definitely are debunking the stereotype that beauty pageants are just about beauty. They're sending the message that yes, you can celebrate your beauty with gel acrylics and new heels one day, and wear a hard hat and steel toed boots the next day.


Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I welcome it. I'm simply saying that it can't be a disqualifier for women who aren't in male-dominated fields, nor should it be part of a criteria that solely defines a Miss USA. It's wonderful to see this development but I think IMG are taking it too far at the expense of other more qualified women. This is after all still a beauty pageant. We need to keep that in mind.


I agree, it shouldn't be a disqualifier at all. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt though. however, if the trend continues, I don't think it will be going in the right direction because it will surely alienate life-long pageant supporters.
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Re: Well, the biggest BITCH has been crowned Miss USA

Postby Bonitillo Campanella » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm

I get your point of view and in fact l totally agree with it. Why is Kára your profile photo, though?

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