What can you say about this? lets talk
Jon A wrote:1. I think it lacks a clear identity.
I think they do everything well, good lineup, (and unlike Earth and Grand they are trying more to get girls from the national contests (although they made a mess in Mexico) so that adds legitimacy), good stage, great production, solid pre-pageant. I also really like their winners, every girl (with the exception of Jenny Kim and Asha Bhat) is gorgeous -- all girls who one could see winning Miss World or Miss Universe. The problem is that it is all a bit snoozy because it just seems a pastiche of all other pageants and one. has the "Ive seen it all before" reaction.
MW does the pre-pageant and class thing better, Miss Universe has the fan interest better, MGI has a more exciting format and has. found a way to get people to talk, MI does the boring thing better, ME does the regional pageant thing better. So that leaves MS with a big relevance question mark.
2. Good timing. Moving it to the spring or summer instead of sticking it on top of MW and Miss Universe would make a big difference. Who has the time to pay attention when the big two are going on?
I think though that what Supra has done really well is to establish a good foundation. But the step up to the next level is going to require some vision, courage, money and patience!
Right now if MGI is a baby Miss Universe and ME is a baby MW, MS is a baby MI. And NO ONE wants to be a baby MI.
Jon A wrote:1. I think it lacks a clear identity.
I think they do everything well, good lineup, (and unlike Earth and Grand they are trying more to get girls from the national contests (although they made a mess in Mexico) so that adds legitimacy), good stage, great production, solid pre-pageant. I also really like their winners, every girl (with the exception of Jenny Kim and Asha Bhat) is gorgeous -- all girls who one could see winning Miss World or Miss Universe. The problem is that it is all a bit snoozy because it just seems a pastiche of all other pageants and one. has the "Ive seen it all before" reaction.
MW does the pre-pageant and class thing better, Miss Universe has the fan interest better, MGI has a more exciting format and has. found a way to get people to talk, MI does the boring thing better, ME does the regional pageant thing better. So that leaves MS with a big relevance question mark.
2. Good timing. Moving it to the spring or summer instead of sticking it on top of MW and Miss Universe would make a big difference. Who has the time to pay attention when the big two are going on?
I think though that what Supra has done really well is to establish a good foundation. But the step up to the next level is going to require some vision, courage, money and patience!
Right now if MGI is a baby Miss Universe and ME is a baby MW, MS is a baby MI. And NO ONE wants to be a baby MI.
beautywatchnyc wrote:Jon A wrote:1. I think it lacks a clear identity.
I think they do everything well, good lineup, (and unlike Earth and Grand they are trying more to get girls from the national contests (although they made a mess in Mexico) so that adds legitimacy), good stage, great production, solid pre-pageant. I also really like their winners, every girl (with the exception of Jenny Kim and Asha Bhat) is gorgeous -- all girls who one could see winning Miss World or Miss Universe. The problem is that it is all a bit snoozy because it just seems a pastiche of all other pageants and one. has the "Ive seen it all before" reaction.
MW does the pre-pageant and class thing better, Miss Universe has the fan interest better, MGI has a more exciting format and has. found a way to get people to talk, MI does the boring thing better, ME does the regional pageant thing better. So that leaves MS with a big relevance question mark.
2. Good timing. Moving it to the spring or summer instead of sticking it on top of MW and Miss Universe would make a big difference. Who has the time to pay attention when the big two are going on?
I think though that what Supra has done really well is to establish a good foundation. But the step up to the next level is going to require some vision, courage, money and patience!
Right now if MGI is a baby Miss Universe and ME is a baby MW, MS is a baby MI. And NO ONE wants to be a baby MI.
You're just a hater! Grow up and update yourself with what's happening in the pageant world!
XAMURAI wrote:Jon A wrote:1. I think it lacks a clear identity.
I think they do everything well, good lineup, (and unlike Earth and Grand they are trying more to get girls from the national contests (although they made a mess in Mexico) so that adds legitimacy), good stage, great production, solid pre-pageant. I also really like their winners, every girl (with the exception of Jenny Kim and Asha Bhat) is gorgeous -- all girls who one could see winning Miss World or Miss Universe. The problem is that it is all a bit snoozy because it just seems a pastiche of all other pageants and one. has the "Ive seen it all before" reaction.
MW does the pre-pageant and class thing better, Miss Universe has the fan interest better, MGI has a more exciting format and has. found a way to get people to talk, MI does the boring thing better, ME does the regional pageant thing better. So that leaves MS with a big relevance question mark.
2. Good timing. Moving it to the spring or summer instead of sticking it on top of MW and Miss Universe would make a big difference. Who has the time to pay attention when the big two are going on?
I think though that what Supra has done really well is to establish a good foundation. But the step up to the next level is going to require some vision, courage, money and patience!
Right now if MGI is a baby Miss Universe and ME is a baby MW, MS is a baby MI. And NO ONE wants to be a baby MI.
Or maybe it's just you who doesn't want to be a baby Miss International because you cannot afford to fly to Japan and experience Japanese culture that ALL delegates of Miss International experience with royal treatment and satisfaction. Ask all national queens who got sent by the same organization to various pageants and they can tell you which pageant treated them with respect and dignity! Something that you won't understand because you're just stuck into one hemisphere.
Try to downplay MI once again, I can forgive you. But to even have the audacity to praise MGI, that makes you undeserving of your Pageant Expert tag. You're just a pageant fan - more like a Miss Universe fan - but definitely not an expert. Your flop predictions are just the tip of the ice berg...
Jon A wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:Jon A wrote:1. I think it lacks a clear identity.
I think they do everything well, good lineup, (and unlike Earth and Grand they are trying more to get girls from the national contests (although they made a mess in Mexico) so that adds legitimacy), good stage, great production, solid pre-pageant. I also really like their winners, every girl (with the exception of Jenny Kim and Asha Bhat) is gorgeous -- all girls who one could see winning Miss World or Miss Universe. The problem is that it is all a bit snoozy because it just seems a pastiche of all other pageants and one. has the "Ive seen it all before" reaction.
MW does the pre-pageant and class thing better, Miss Universe has the fan interest better, MGI has a more exciting format and has. found a way to get people to talk, MI does the boring thing better, ME does the regional pageant thing better. So that leaves MS with a big relevance question mark.
2. Good timing. Moving it to the spring or summer instead of sticking it on top of MW and Miss Universe would make a big difference. Who has the time to pay attention when the big two are going on?
I think though that what Supra has done really well is to establish a good foundation. But the step up to the next level is going to require some vision, courage, money and patience!
Right now if MGI is a baby Miss Universe and ME is a baby MW, MS is a baby MI. And NO ONE wants to be a baby MI.
You're just a hater! Grow up and update yourself with what's happening in the pageant world!
Why a hater? That is so dumb. The POINT of the thread and the question asked is what Supra lacks. This is MY opinion - and nothing here is hateful! If you disagree with any specific arguments, please feel free to argue, it's just a discussion, nothing more. I personally think my points are sensible -- I praise Supra's winners, production, and non-controversial approach, and argue that their timing and lack of a (and unlike Earth distinct identity hold it back.
Jon A wrote:XAMURAI wrote:Jon A wrote:1. I think it lacks a clear identity.
I think they do everything well, good lineup, (and unlike Earth and Grand they are trying more to get girls from the national contests (although they made a mess in Mexico) so that adds legitimacy), good stage, great production, solid pre-pageant. I also really like their winners, every girl (with the exception of Jenny Kim and Asha Bhat) is gorgeous -- all girls who one could see winning Miss World or Miss Universe. The problem is that it is all a bit snoozy because it just seems a pastiche of all other pageants and one. has the "Ive seen it all before" reaction.
MW does the pre-pageant and class thing better, Miss Universe has the fan interest better, MGI has a more exciting format and has. found a way to get people to talk, MI does the boring thing better, ME does the regional pageant thing better. So that leaves MS with a big relevance question mark.
2. Good timing. Moving it to the spring or summer instead of sticking it on top of MW and Miss Universe would make a big difference. Who has the time to pay attention when the big two are going on?
I think though that what Supra has done really well is to establish a good foundation. But the step up to the next level is going to require some vision, courage, money and patience!
Right now if MGI is a baby Miss Universe and ME is a baby MW, MS is a baby MI. And NO ONE wants to be a baby MI.
Or maybe it's just you who doesn't want to be a baby Miss International because you cannot afford to fly to Japan and experience Japanese culture that ALL delegates of Miss International experience with royal treatment and satisfaction. Ask all national queens who got sent by the same organization to various pageants and they can tell you which pageant treated them with respect and dignity! Something that you won't understand because you're just stuck into one hemisphere.
Try to downplay MI once again, I can forgive you. But to even have the audacity to praise MGI, that makes you undeserving of your Pageant Expert tag. You're just a pageant fan - more like a Miss Universe fan - but definitely not an expert. Your flop predictions are just the tip of the ice berg...
First of all, I have been to Japan over 30 times, and I always stay at the very best of Japanese hotels, so please don't assume what I can and cannot do. And I certainly don't need your pronouncements on my expertise or lack thereof.
I know you just want to defend your contest, and that is fine, and no one is saying that the International girls are not treated well during their stay. I did not criticize MI in any way here. My point was just that Supra mirrors MI in the way that it is non-controversial, subdued and elegant. However, as one of the original pageants, MI occupies a distinct space - where it has prestige but has never risen to the level of awareness and prestige as MW or Miss Universe in a public sense (arguably it has that cache amongst pageants). Therefore, a more low key version of it does not really work. Even MI in recent years has been changing to create more activities and relevance for it's winner, be more inclusive, enhance its production....so they themselves are evolving in a positive direction.So the point is that being a more subdued version of MI just does not make sense.
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